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Cliffy

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Funny. The US can bomb whole countries back to the stone age but someone has the balls to expose some of their shenanigans and he is sentenced to life before his trial. Yanks are a laugh a minute.
 

JBeee

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Strong Majority of Americans Opposes Freedom of Press

Jason Ditz, December 10, 2010


A new Marist-McClatchy poll has revealed a disappointingly strong opposition to the notion of a free press in the United States. The poll showed strong support for the notion of censoring WikiLeaks and prosecuting anyone involved in the publication of classified data.

In 1971 the US Supreme Court vindicated the right to publish classified data in the public interest as part of the furor surrounding the release of the Pentagon Papers. Some forty years later, the poll points to a public in no mood for arguments related to its own right to know.

Only 22 percent of Americans thought the releases were a good thing, while some 59 percent believed that anyone involved ought to be prosecuted. Though there is no immediate indication that this is the case, one can hope the methodology of the polling somehow skewed the results. However it must also be considered that the American public has simply changed its mind about the historical notion of a free press and is now firmly in favor of broad censorship on national security grounds.

The poll will likely fuel the growing befuddlement of the rest of the world at the Obama Administration’s lip service for a free press (and the State Department’s announcement of a May event honoring the notion) even as they look to prosecute people on the basis of embarrassing publications and as Congress meets with the sole determination to change the law to restrict the right to publish such material even further.

If there is one silver lining to what must indeed be a very dark cloud, it is that the poll showed narrow support among Americans between the age of 18 and 29, suggesting that the younger generation are growing more supportive of the idea of free speech, even as the older generations have, according to the data, angrily dismissed the idea.
 

Colpy

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Next, enter one Julian Assange — himself on the lam, avoiding a little sexy horseplay that the uptight Swedish authorities for some reason deemed thus far sexual battery and molestation. Jason is also angry at “them,” the Western world that does horrific things like guarantees enough affluence and security for those like Julian to jet about at will without any visible means of support. In the tradition of sixties nihilism, Julian, of course, tries to gussy up his destructive egotistical angst into some sort of cosmic humane call for more transparency and nice behavior on the part of the U.S. State Department and military.

In more earthly terms that means he is supposed to be something more than a two-bit computer punk that he is, one who would be terrified to extend his online liberationist creed to Iranian mullahs, Chinese communists, Hezbollah terrorists, or Russian gang lords. The latter do far more to trample the human spirit than does any Western nation, but they also at times tend to decapitate, blow up, or jail permanently any would-be Julian who dares to cross them

Works and Days

I'm learning to like Mr. Hanson.
 

Unforgiven

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So I guess the next leak from the Harper government needs to be met with the same concern and blind hatred. Treasonous terrorist, cowards needing to be shot without trial. Check!
 

Colpy

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So I guess the next leak from the Harper government needs to be met with the same concern and blind hatred. Treasonous terrorist, cowards needing to be shot without trial. Check!

Oh I would much much prefer that Mr. Assange be turned over to the USA for trial............and be given a nice, compact liittle cell for about 25 years, seems fair. Maybe he and Bradley could share.

But if other countries refuse to extradite him, and set him free, then pop him.

He is an enemy.

He is offering aid and assistance to our enemies.

He is putting the lives of our soldiers and their allies at risk by releasing technical and intelligence data.

Then, he tries to forestall any arrest by threatening to release thousands of documents uncensored that clearly identify intelligence sources in other nations, information that would inevitably cause their deaths. Oh lovely, sweet, feel-good lovers of Assange, please please explain to me how that makes him any different than a scumball that takes hostages to avoid arrest, and starts shooting them when his demands are not met?

Here's your answer.

It doesn't. Except that Assange doesn't have to get messy by pulling the trigger himself.

The man is scum.

He is not a activist, he is an operative for the other side in a time of war.

Shoot him.
 

gerryh

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SHOOT HIM!!!!! SHOOT HIM!!!!!! SHOOT ALL THE ASSHOLES THAT DON'T AGREE WITH US OR BESMIRCH OUR WAYS!!!!!!



sound familiar.... how are those shoes fitting colpy?
 

Colpy

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SHOOT HIM!!!!! SHOOT HIM!!!!!! SHOOT ALL THE ASSHOLES THAT DON'T AGREE WITH US OR BESMIRCH OUR WAYS!!!!!!



sound familiar.... how are those shoes fitting colpy?

Not all them....free speech is one thing.....working actively for our enemies, you know, those guys killing our soldiers.....is something else again.
 

JBeee

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Americans complain over lack of free speech in foreign countries then complain when free speech exposes them (Americans) for the lying corrupt terrorists they are.
 

Unforgiven

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Oh I would much much prefer that Mr. Assange be turned over to the USA for trial............and be given a nice, compact liittle cell for about 25 years, seems fair. Maybe he and Bradley could share.

If given a fair trial I am sure he would be found innocent much to the angst of the government and right wing.
Since it's the government that would charge and judge him, it would probably be difficult to have an actual fair trial. The government acting as both the prosecutor and judge.

But if other countries refuse to extradite him, and set him free, then pop him.

Pop him eh? Why bother with a trial? You don't seem to have any attachment to justice or acting in any sort of moral way. Yet you often say you're outraged when met with that position.

He is an enemy.

He displayed to all what others said once given to his organization.

He is offering aid and assistance to our enemies.

Then government diplomats should be reprimanded by the measures you offer up for him for putting saying those thing and taking those positions that you feel will aid the enemies of our countries and endanger our soldiers lives.

He is putting the lives of our soldiers and their allies at risk by releasing technical and intelligence data.

Well we'll have to see what technical and intelligence data is released. So far it's been a bunch of dirty laundry and bad mouthing by a bunch of spoiled, narcissistic bureaucrats who should learn to be more professional.

Then, he tries to forestall any arrest by threatening to release thousands of documents uncensored that clearly identify intelligence sources in other nations, information that would inevitably cause their deaths. Oh lovely, sweet, feel-good lovers of Assange, please please explain to me how that makes him any different than a scumball that takes hostages to avoid arrest, and starts shooting them when his demands are not met?

Powerful and connected people are frothing to kill the guy. He's arrested on a trumped up rape charge for what he's released so far. Just what do you feel he should use to defend himself against that? What you and others seem to refuse to even acknowledge is that they government shouldn't be doing that in the first place. The public has a right to know when they are playing dirty buggers and see them taken to task over it.

Instead, what we have here is a massive distraction of attention to hide the problems many people working for the government are creating. Plenty of it which directly translates into acts of terrorism against our countries.

Here's your answer.

It doesn't. Except that Assange doesn't have to get messy by pulling the trigger himself.

The man is scum.

He is not a activist, he is an operative for the other side in a time of war.

Shoot him.

Rights and Freedoms mean something other than what your government uses to wage war and kill people in their own country. Freedom of the press means just that. Freedom of speech means just that. You can say anything. Used to be that people would stand up to make sure you can say anything even when they don't agree with it. Now we fight over who can be pillared for saying what. **** that and anyone who thinks that. The only defence anyone should need is that what they say is the truth. All these leaks are the truth in what they say and what they mean. If saying something to someone else will endanger soldiers then you better make damn sure you keep it to yourself or leave no physical record of having said it.

Rights and Freedoms aren't made for the least of us, but to protect us from the worst of governments, tyrants and slippery bastard lawyers that seek to steal away our freedom by usurping control of government from the people.
 

Kreskin

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He hasn't been waterboarded yet. Send him to Gitmo for some questioning followed by an old fashioned Military trial. The prosecution success rates are good.
 

Cliffy

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Just a little hypocritical for people who claim to believe in freedom and democracy to kill someone who is exercising their freedoms and rights. I think advocating his death is more akin to the hostage taker killing his hostages than anything Assange has done.
 

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Just a little hypocritical for people who claim to believe in freedom and democracy to kill someone who is exercising their freedoms and rights. I think advocating his death is more akin to the hostage taker killing his hostages than anything Assange has done.

I haven't been following this at all but from all the suggested punishments, he's obviously already been convicted of some fairly serious mischief. He should probably be sharing a cell with Bernie Madoff. :lol: