The "Bible Belts" in Canuckville

SirJosephPorter

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Why would the stats be worth digging up? Who cares! For so many people who claim to dislike religion you sure are spending a lot of time trying to figure it out.

There is nothing wrong in trying to figure out a religion, I find it fascinating exercise. That is why even though I am an Atheist, I am always ready and willing to find out more about religions.
 

SirJosephPorter

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To be honest when I think bible belt I look at Ontario Amish.

They make the Hutterrites or Mennonites out here look like Liberals.

I don’t consider them a part of the Bible Belt. Sure they are highly religious, stick to the bygone, old ways and some of them insist on not using any modern conveniences.

However, they practice religion as they see fit, they don’t try to impose their views upon others, they are not active in politics. While the may be very conservative, by no stretch of imagination can they be described as religious right. I don’t think they are part of the Bible Belt.

Indeed, that is why I said, it depends upon what one means by Bible Belt.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Evangelism is entertainment; it's the "circus" in "bread and circuses."

Sure it is an entertainment. If it did not suck money out of gullible, credulous people some of whom happen to be poor (they will send money to the televangelist out of their Social Security check so that the great man can take that cruise, sorry, that crusade to the Caribbean), it would be funny.
 

countryboy

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Sure it is an entertainment. If it did not suck money out of gullible, credulous people some of whom happen to be poor (they will send money to the televangelist out of their Social Security check so that the great man can take that cruise, sorry, that crusade to the Caribbean), it would be funny.

But wouldn't that fall under the category of "none of your business?" What right do you have to stick your nose into how other people spend their money? Do you think your will should be imposed on others?

If people in a so-called "Bible Belt" wish to contribute to a TV evangelist, that is their collective decision, not yours.

Referring to the money they send as coming out of their Social Security check is pretty much personifies the term "busybody." You should respect their choices and decisions, not belittle or make fun of them.

Is there some reason why you have to heap scorn on peoples' choices and decisions?
 

SirJosephPorter

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"The talk about building firewall around Alberta reverberated all over Canada."- That's probably why it reverberated, it was only "talk" - if it was typical it wouldn't have made the news.

Sure it was only a talk, Klein and Harper didn’t actually do anything to build a firewall around Alberta. But why was it necessary to talk like that in the first place? They did not talk of putting up a firewall in any other province. Why was it necessary in Alberta?

This one factor, taken with several others that I have listed, gives at least to me enough evidence to conclude that Alberta is indeed the Bible Belt of Canada.
 

countryboy

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Sure it was only a talk, Klein and Harper didn’t actually do anything to build a firewall around Alberta. But why was it necessary to talk like that in the first place? They did not talk of putting up a firewall in any other province. Why was it necessary in Alberta?

This one factor, taken with several others that I have listed, gives at least to me enough evidence to conclude that Alberta is indeed the Bible Belt of Canada.

Um, I think they were talking about trying to keep out the negative Liberal influences on their economy. Kind of like the "language firewall" that is built around Quebec. The heritage of Alberta includes a very "can do" record of accomplishments, and you can't blame them for trying to preserve that, can you?
 

countryboy

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I don't think Jesus would want me. He would think I am too much trouble, it is not worth trying to save me. Jesus would probably think that I am a far gone case.

From what I've heard, he's not too choosy about who he saves - you'd probably still qualify. :lol:
 

DaSleeper

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Um, I think they were talking about trying to keep out the negative Liberal influences on their economy. Kind of like the "language firewall" that is built around Quebec. The heritage of Alberta includes a very "can do" record of accomplishments, and you can't blame them for trying to preserve that, can you?
Countryboy: There used to be a saying, years ago, "You can't teach a dill pickle nuttin'"
I think that applies here:lol::lol:
 

SirJosephPorter

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But wouldn't that fall under the category of "none of your business?" What right do you have to stick your nose into how other people spend their money? Do you think your will should be imposed on others?

If people in a so-called "Bible Belt" wish to contribute to a TV evangelist, that is their collective decision, not yours.

Referring to the money they send as coming out of their Social Security check is pretty much personifies the term "busybody." You should respect their choices and decisions, not belittle or make fun of them.

Is there some reason why you have to heap scorn on peoples' choices and decisions?

How they spend their money is their business, not mine. I am not asking that poor people sending money to televangelists be made illegal. People have a perfect right to fritter their money away on worthless causes.

However, I have every right to comment on such actions and make my views known. That is not sticking my nose into anybody’s business. If I demanded that such practices be banned, then you would be right, I would be sticking my nose into their business. Indeed, that is my problem with religious right. They don’t just disapprove of abortion, they want to ban it. They don’t just disapprove of homosexuality, they would like to outlaw gay marriage. They don’t just frown on contraception; they would like to restrict its availability only to married couples. That is sticking one’s nose into other peoples’ business.

But I have a prefect right to comment on it, it you don’t like it, too bad.
 

countryboy

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How they spend their money is their business, not mine. I am not asking that poor people sending money to televangelists be made illegal. People have a perfect right to fritter their money away on worthless causes.

However, I have every right to comment on such actions and make my views known. That is not sticking my nose into anybody’s business. If I demanded that such practices be banned, then you would be right, I would be sticking my nose into their business. Indeed, that is my problem with religious right. They don’t just disapprove of abortion, they want to ban it. They don’t just disapprove of homosexuality, they would like to outlaw gay marriage. They don’t just frown on contraception; they would like to restrict its availability only to married couples. That is sticking one’s nose into other peoples’ business.

But I have a prefect right to comment on it, it you don’t like it, too bad.

And I have a perfect right to comment on your opinion. If you don't like it, too bad.

There, now I'm sure we all feel better.
 

Francis2004

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Sure it was only a talk, Klein and Harper didn’t actually do anything to build a firewall around Alberta. But why was it necessary to talk like that in the first place? They did not talk of putting up a firewall in any other province. Why was it necessary in Alberta?

This one factor, taken with several others that I have listed, gives at least to me enough evidence to conclude that Alberta is indeed the Bible Belt of Canada.

What does this "firewall around Alberta" have to do with Bible Belt ?

Alberta Agenda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From what I see Quebec already has these services all in place..

The QPP, replaces the RCMP, the Quebec pension plan subs for the CPP and they have their own Revenue Taxation department ?

So Alberta wanted to be "special" like Quebec..
 

JLM

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Sure it is an entertainment. If it did not suck money out of gullible, credulous people some of whom happen to be poor (they will send money to the televangelist out of their Social Security check so that the great man can take that cruise, sorry, that crusade to the Caribbean), it would be funny.

One question S.J. - so the religious nuts are sucking money out of them, how would this be any worse than the 308 snouts in the trough sucking money out of them in the guise of "taxes"? Is one bandit any better than another?
 

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Politics is just another form of religion for some people. At least science (as a religion) doesn't ask you directly for money. They get it from your taxes!
 

SirJosephPorter

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One question S.J. - so the religious nuts are sucking money out of them, how would this be any worse than the 308 snouts in the trough sucking money out of them in the guise of "taxes"? Is one bandit any better than another?

I know given your choice you (and indeed many conservatives) would abolish most of taxation and go back to living in caves, JLM (or continue living as we are, racking up huge deficits). However taxes are necessary for civilization. There can be no advance, no prosperity without civilization.

If government did not provide the infrastructure, roads, bridges, dams etc. did not pay for the defense, did not provide health care, did not provide justice system we will be back in the dark ages. So yes, taxes are essential.

As to whether televangelist fleecing the flock are a good thing, that is for everyone to decide. A Fundamentalist will probably say it is a good thing, I disagree.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Politics is just another form of religion for some people. At least science (as a religion) doesn't ask you directly for money. They get it from your taxes!

Now Cliffy, if science asked people directly for money, how many people do you think will give to science? Now, they will give generously to religion, especially to televangelists. But science? No science will get done.

Science must be funded from taxpayer's money.
 

JLM

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I know given your choice you (and indeed many conservatives) would abolish most of taxation and go back to living in caves, JLM (or continue living as we are, racking up huge deficits). However taxes are necessary for civilization. There can be no advance, no prosperity without civilization.

If government did not provide the infrastructure, roads, bridges, dams etc. did not pay for the defense, did not provide health care, did not provide justice system we will be back in the dark ages. So yes, taxes are essential.

As to whether televangelist fleecing the flock are a good thing, that is for everyone to decide. A Fundamentalist will probably say it is a good thing, I disagree.


Given the system we are in, I know SOME taxes are necessary ( I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night) What we don't need is more tax. First of all I believe in the concept of "user pays". You DON'T tax more in order to spend more. What percentage of the total budget is taken up with health? 30, 35, 40 ....how much? Now if every health Canadian started eating properly and put on the hiking boots- that figure could be cut in half over time. What do you think? Would that be a good place to start? How much money is being squandered processing old laws that should be off the books but people are still being charged under them? Before grababing more and more money we should do "house cleaning" first and then see where we are at. It's like managing your own home, you fix what's broken first before buying more.