Well being a drinking man when i was younger due to health and realining that it is of little value, was a big drinker- I cut down a long time ago to where I enjoy the taste of a good brew or 3 maybe 4. Not that Canadian or US crap - but good beer - but yes I would sit down over a cold beer with you.
The Afghan war logs
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Then do a search on how many people - they even wait for children sometime to reach 18 - then they hang them
eao: Starting in 1642 within British America, an estimated 365[56] juvenile offenders were executed by the states and federal government of the United States.[57] The United States Supreme Court abolished capital punishment for offenders under the age of 16 in Thompson v. Oklahoma (1988 ), and for all juveniles in Roper v. Simmons (2005).
It seems you only use the US Justice system when it supports the normally BS Position you take,
eao: What a load of crap. Post a link to a post by me which backs up this statement. I support due process and the rule of law. You have never once condemned US and Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Apply that to Syria another one that supplies these 2 terror groups - or the Palestinians who name market squares after mass murderers. But then again these are small compared to what Israel does. Now isn't it - Israel is the real Enemy.
Country/Number executed in 2009
United States 529
Syria At least 8
eao: I`m sure Bush will have a square named after him one of these days too.
Perhaps you should then apply this to Hamas and Hezbollah - But then that would undermine your stance.
eao: I`m against all war crimes and war criminals. Just because I point out Israeli and American war crimes, doesn`t mean I support Hamas or Hezbollah war crimes. Anyone who deliberately attacks civilians is a war criminal. So I am against any group or movement which commits war crimes, including Hamas, Hezbollah, the Bush regime and the Israeli government. You support American and Israeli war criminals who have repeatedly started unprovoked wars and are responsible for over a million deaths in the last decade alone. Yet you get your panties in a knot because of Hamas and Hezbolla war crimes which have killed about 20 people in the last decade... Yes they are war criminals, but they aren't in the same league as George W. Bush, Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert ...
Diplomacy with the Taliban
Now consider if you educate yourself that the Taliban knew that Osama was planning attacks - They had him under Guard and surveillance - Wonder why they did that? - Not hard to determine now is it. Does it have t be pseeld ot slow like or can you figure it out by yourself.
They were asked - They refused. Bad decision.
Again they were attacked - and it was not as you say unprovoked - It was sanctioned by every country that is a member of NATO under Article 5 - Read up on it some time as you are so fond of quoting adherence to treaties.
eao: You can't legally start a war unless you are attacked, preventing an attack, or have a UNSC resolution to prevent a serious humanitarian catastrophe (ie. Rwanda) If you believe the Taliban attacked the US, you'll have to provide a link backing up that belief. OBL and some of his entourage were hiding in a part of Afghanistan which was controlled by the Taliban. But that doesn't prove the Taliban knew about 9/11 in advance or supported it. In fact, the Taliban are on record as condemning 9/11, which indicates they didn't approve of it. I've never seen any evidence that the Taliban were involved in 9/11 or any attack against the US before 9/11. The only justification the US ever gave for attacking the Taliban was their refusal to abduct OBL and hand him over. Making such a demand violates international law, never mind starting a war over it. Technically, the US never even declared war against the Taliban. They just started bombing Afghanstan and later invaded without ever offering a single shred of legal evidence backing up their claims about OBL or any sort of legal justification. Apparently the evidence does exist to link OBL to 9/11, which makes Bush's illegal actions even more arrogant and outrageous....
This war isn't about OBL anymore. Now that the US has no hope of ever catching OBL, the Afghan war has changed its purpose. Now its about making Afghanistan a democracy (do fixed elections count?) and liberating oppressed Afghan women from their burkas. No one gave a rat's ass about Afghan women before 9/11 and no one does now. The whole liberate Afghan women issue is a deliberately manufactured post 9/11 concern. Many Arab and Muslim countries similarly oppress women and no one cares about these women. Saudi Arabia is just as oppressive, stones adulterers and does pretty much all the same things as the Taliban, yet no one in the US is pushing to invade Saudi Arabia, which BTW, was the nationality of a majority of 9/11 hijackers...
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What a freaking Dufus you are.
Just because someone disagrees with you, that hardly makes them a "freaking Dufus". Name calling isn't debate, its juvenile and rather childish. How old are you again?
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You say that as if we think there's something wrong with Arabs.
Better stay away from the beer. Alcohol kills brain cells and you can't afford that.
You're viewing history with a contemporary eye eao. That's woeful error in formulating an opinion.
I can't find the post, but I specifically remember you railing about the US Supreme Courts decision on Gitmo detainees.
As defined by you and any group you agree with, except the actual courts.
Actually, Goober and mnyself went head to head, with you in the audience on that very matter way on back when you went off the deep end. Funny how short your memory is when you're trying to label people.
Perhaps you should then apply this to Hamas and Hezbollah - But then that would undermine your stance.
True, you show support for them by dismissing, ignoring or justifying their criminal acts.
This is true, and while you were rallying against Israel and America, ad nauseum, without relent, without critical thought, while you ignored evidence fact and jurisprudence, you left a mere smattering of words to gather dust on Darfur. Don't worry eao, we see through what really drives you.
There you go, justifying Hamas as a lessor evil.
Like "Israeli apologist"? Or how about "Supporter of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity"?
Good question, so how old are you? What's your address, your full name and your drivers license number?
EAO - It matters not that you agree or disagree - You still do not get it - what matters is that you attack one side holding them to a higher standard than the other side whose crimes are overlooked by you.
Name calling - I call them as i see them - You get all upset and then do the how old are you.
Again you prove my belief that you are a Dufus - Please read the above to gain some knowledge as to the qualifiers for this term.
That is a key component of why you are a Dufus.
Hope this helps explain the term Dufus and where it can be applied.
As to my age - Age does not take into consideration where I have been, what I have seen or what I have experienced.
How many cold blooded people who have murdered others of a different faith have you sat down with and talked - I mean a real in depth discussion - No holds barred - Down and dirty trying to understand Why - What they believed then and what they believed after it was all over with.
Then I have met the ones that are drowning in guilt & sorrow because of what they had done.
None - of any as I described above is what I would say. You live in a box - If it does not fit into your limited view, confusion arises.
So while I am 53 I would say that my soul is old and my spirit is young.
EAO
Check out the hanging in Iran - Please when cherry picking understand that I have seen the stats prior to posting. Got thatDufus.
Eao - Still does not recall or conveniently overlooks at how we went at each other - On that specific topic we still disagree - and that is fine
But I think he overlooks that as I am now the enemy - I do not fit into his limited version -
Does that cost me, well It saves me from being a Dufus, and that is reward enough i would say.
What guy? You or eao?
When I first met Goober, he came down on me pretty hard for bashing eao's posts. He was in agreement with eao on a certain topic, closely related to this one. It's all changed now that Goober sees through eao's facade.
Of course, that was based on perception of the event, not that the event happened or not. We both can accept and respect perceptions.
Yep, just like when he complains to the mods about the thumbs down rep I give him. He never mentions that he gets a fair deal of thumbs up from me as well. Even for posts that are in contrary to my perception/opinion. eao is very selective about what he will and will not accept as reality.
Agreed.
Have i been on this forum that long.
Well I also believe he has a good amount of racism towards Jews in him. And that destroys any credibility.
And the Cut & Paste - Lord Love a Duck -
As I am part Aboriginal I will give EAO some appropriate names.
Today he shall be called : "Babbling Brook"
Until I again name him with an appropriate moniker.
EAO - Do not get upset as "Two Dogs Fuking" is coming at a later date.
Can anyone translate Dufus??????
Not racism, bigotry. A deep bigotry that shows in what he places most of his energy in. In almost every topic pertaining to Jews, he's against the Jews, 99.999999% of the time. No matter what evidence is provided to show his position to be erroneous.
Despite the overwhelming evidence of murder by Muslims in Darfur. We see small snippets of outrage directed at the perpetrators. Of course this is usually followed with "See, I am a humanitarian, that protests all war crimes and crimes against humanity."
Of course that is only compounded by his statements regarding who he believes to be more truthful. Hamas, as apposed to Israel. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence.
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The primary reason there is involvement by the US,canada and the brits is to train troops in the various tactics and geography of the enemy's back yard. According to the ancient books of war, it behooves a nation to learn as much as possible about the military capabilities of your neighbour. If you can feign an excuse, go for it.
You may have heard the saying "good fences make good neighbours" and this applies as well, "good defence makes good neighbours".
THIS IS THE PRIMARY REASON OF INVOLVEMENT.
Additional reasons are the excuse to make the above happen.
What are the odds that any nation can find itself embroiled in yet another skirmish every 4 to 5 years?...., nadah!
The reason is the top generals need to train troops, and the best that is done outside of all out war, the better. Also large standing armies need to justified if taxes are to be extracted. The masses need to feel threat or the need to be the global good samaritan before they can be convinced to have such an army.
So forget the excuses, we know the real reason.
Andy
The primary reason there is involvement by the US,canada and the brits is to train troops in the various tactics and geography of the enemy's back yard. According to the ancient books of war, it behooves a nation to learn as much as possible about the military capabilities of your neighbour. If you can feign an excuse, go for it.
You may have heard the saying "good fences make good neighbours" and this applies as well, "good defence makes good neighbours".
THIS IS THE PRIMARY REASON OF INVOLVEMENT.
Additional reasons are the excuse to make the above happen.
What are the odds that any nation can find itself embroiled in yet another skirmish every 4 to 5 years?...., nadah!
The reason is the top generals need to train troops, and the best that is done outside of all out war, the better. Also large standing armies need to justified if taxes are to be extracted. The masses need to feel threat or the need to be the global good samaritan before they can be convinced to have such an army.
So forget the excuses, we know the real reason.
Andy
I have no problem with people who attack the message, but not the messenger. Name calling is a form of attacking the messenger. Its not only juvenile, its also forum rules.
I am well aware why the US attacked Afghanistan. My point was that unless the Taliban attacked the US, was about to attack the US or was creating a large scale humanitarian catastrophe, its against the UN charter to start a war. Obviously if a country is as powerful as the US, they can ignore the UN charter, but that does not make their actions legal.
I've asked for Goober to provide proof that the Taliban were involved in the events of 9/11 or supported 9/11 at the time it happened. I was able to find these news stories from American sources:
I realize this was a long time ago, and many things have changed since. But the Taliban are on record as condemning the 9/11 attacks.
I am well aware why the US attacked Afghanistan. My point was that unless the Taliban attacked the US, was about to attack the US or was creating a large scale humanitarian catastrophe, its against the UN charter to start a war. Obviously if a country is as powerful as the US, they can ignore the UN charter, but that does not make their actions legal.
I've asked for Goober to provide proof that the Taliban were involved in the events of 9/11 or supported 9/11 at the time it happened. I was able to find these news stories from American sources:
I realize this was a long time ago, and many things have changed since. But the Taliban are on record as condemning the 9/11 attacks.
I'm still waiting for you to post your full name, address and drivers license number.
Other than that, will you retract all the names you've called people over the years, seeing as they're against the forum rules?
And you're on record stating you don't have a problem with Jews, but your posts would indicate the contrary.
Go figure, people saying one thing, while actually believing another. I'm not surprised you don't get that.
Hello to my little Babbling Brook - I see again that you have overflowed with your usual crapola.
You quote Arafat - Well he supported Saddam when he invaded a Sovereign Country - Kuwait
You also quote a Taliban Diplomat - What did you expect him to say - perhaps we glory in the deaths - We were not aware of the planning - but we knew was up to something -
e are sure he had something to do with it as he admitted it - But you should realize and accept of tradition of treating him as a guest.
OBL took the credit along with bombings in Africa
Now tell me where the UN Condemned the US & NATO actions - Voted upon by the and approved by both the Security Council and the main assembly. When did the UN do this
