Temporary Foreign Workers put 270 Canadians out of work

Should TFWs be allowed to replace skilled Canadians just to save labour costs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • No

    Votes: 19 79.2%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    24

damngrumpy

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We should not be using foreign workers for replacement workers during a
labor dispute. That was never the intent of the program period.
There are a number of jobs that Canadians won't do. I have never paid a
person minimum wage in my life and wouldn't. I hire mostly family or
friends during the picking season. These are short term jobs for my size
of farm. Hiring people in the orchard industry is difficult at best. Our
industry has a lot of temporary foreign workers and the program works well.
Why these workers actually show up and on time.
they are eager to work and they gain experience in farming and do well.

some say we should force people on assistance to work in the orchards. No
we should not. If that happened I would have a lot of bruised fruit and a lack of
interest. Nothing worse that people with a downer attitude in the workplace. I
don't see why I should have people who don't want to work, working here.
I have enough problems to deal with and especially now, this morning I announced
I am running for President of the British Columbia Fruit Growers Association.
We have a lot of problems in the last two years.
I support the foreign workers program because for a number of years the industry
has had workers with a lot of social problems, drugs, booze, not showing up and
Mexican workers show up on time and get the job done. We have to ensure they
are being paid and treated fairly and that is an ongoing situation, and for the most
part works well.
 

taxslave

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We should not be using foreign workers for replacement workers during a
labor dispute. That was never the intent of the program period.
There are a number of jobs that Canadians won't do. I have never paid a
person minimum wage in my life and wouldn't. I hire mostly family or
friends during the picking season. These are short term jobs for my size
of farm. Hiring people in the orchard industry is difficult at best. Our
industry has a lot of temporary foreign workers and the program works well.
Why these workers actually show up and on time.
they are eager to work and they gain experience in farming and do well.

some say we should force people on assistance to work in the orchards. No
we should not. If that happened I would have a lot of bruised fruit and a lack of
interest. Nothing worse that people with a downer attitude in the workplace. I
don't see why I should have people who don't want to work, working here.
I have enough problems to deal with and especially now, this morning I announced
I am running for President of the British Columbia Fruit Growers Association.
We have a lot of problems in the last two years.
I support the foreign workers program because for a number of years the industry
has had workers with a lot of social problems, drugs, booze, not showing up and
Mexican workers show up on time and get the job done. We have to ensure they
are being paid and treated fairly and that is an ongoing situation, and for the most
part works well.

I have to agree with you on that. Forcing welfare bums off on the small business owners, especially ones dealing with produce is not fair to the businesses.
I have now come to the conclusion that in order to collect a welfare check recipients must submit to regular drug and alcohol tests. In their case it would have to be urine or hair tests, not swabw.We have to do it for work so there is no reason those sucking off our wages should not have to do the same.
 

L Gilbert

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I like it. The feds probably won't, nor will the provinces that have sales taxes n the like.
 

L Gilbert

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If there are unfilled jobs, where the **** are the Canadians to fill them?
In the unemployment lines looking for the $100/hr job where they can sit on their a$$ets all day n play computer games on company time. Well, some of them anyway; there are still some serious people around. I know one girl here was juggling 3 jobs, one of which was full time (low pay) to support herself and feed her boy. Wifey kind of adopted her and helps her out as much as she can.
 

L Gilbert

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$25/hr to work at Tim Hortons.



Let's see... Stay where you are, unemploeyd with no job prospects on the horizon, or move to Ft Mac, and with even a basic trade or skill make 6 figures.
And spend most of that on accommodation and food. Yeah, that's quite a drawing point. Good stuff for young folks and single folks, though.
1 bdrm condo in Fort Mac is cheap at $260K. Of course you could rent, but rent for a 1 bdrm 600+ sq ft ap't near Calgary is almost a grand a month.

Hmmmm, that's a real toughie
Yeah. But then you could earn 15 million a month and if you have to spend 14.99925 million on expenses ........ lol
 

L Gilbert

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Noooo people are dying in hospital because they've been turned into malls.
Not here. Unless you're in one of the 4 or 5 major areas, the hospitals are little more than first aid tents. The one in the town near here can hold about 60 or 70 patients (for a population base of about 15 to 20,000), but due to mismanagement (which in turn is due to IHA's need for more and more management, can't even afford decent food for patients. Convicts get meals that cost about $12 per and patients meals cost about a third that). The nursing staff complains because they have to deal with scissors that don't cut, dressing supplies that won't stick or they rip too easily, etc., which in turn causes nurses to spend more time getting supplies, The maintenance staff can't even afford the time to oil the beds' moving parts or change the light tubes at the patients' beds. One of the ambulance EMTs has been at the same job for 15 years and is still only casual (the only reason she stays is because its a job she loves), gets no perks, yet some MBA can get outta college and in 2 years, be full time sitting at an IHA desk and get full perks. I keep wondering what it'll be like when the boomers start hitting the hospitals in large numbers. Maybe it'll be BYOF, BYOB, BYOS, etc. (respectively, Bring Your Own Food, Bring Your Own Bed, Bring Your Own Scissors).
A while back I researched the amount of brass in comparison to the amount of enlisted men in the forces and the ratio was ridiculous. I can't remember the amounts of personnel but it turned out that we should have had 9 top brass instead of something like 2 dozen if our forces were structured the same as the USA's.
We seem to be top heavy pretty much anywhere in the civil services. No freakin wonder Canada can't live within its means.

Shouldn't Canada be for Canadians?
.... or wannabe Canucks?

Welfare will buy a bus ticket and work clothing for ANYONE willing to move from one province to another for work.
Whose welfare? SK's?
 

captain morgan

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And spend most of that on accommodation and food. Yeah, that's quite a drawing point. Good stuff for young folks and single folks, though.
1 bdrm condo in Fort Mac is cheap at $260K. Of course you could rent, but rent for a 1 bdrm 600+ sq ft ap't near Calgary is almost a grand a month.

Yeah. But then you could earn 15 million a month and if you have to spend 14.99925 million on expenses ........ lol

You are exaggeratting quite a bit Les.

Sure, there is a shortage of accommodation in Ft Mac and the cost of living is quite high, but the fact remains that the employers are only upping the ante at every turn as there is a big shortage of employees.

Even if it cost a guy $3000 a month to live (rent + food), they would still be $20k-$30k ahead of the game after tax as opposed to sitting at home on EI that maxs-out at around $3000/month, spend a couple thousand on living and still have no job prospects on the horizon.
 

JLM

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Holy crap! I bet his phone's ringing off the hook every minute. Mine lives right next door and he charges $75. But he does throw in the odd small job for free.

Actually for all the small jobs he's done for me I think it's even less than $50 an hour and that's from the time he arrives at my door until he leaves. It's just extra (under the table) work for him on weekends.
 

Nuggler

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Add they must be willing to work.

Most people here have at least heard of the HD Mining problems. They don't seem to have unions yet but two Canadian miners I know are now working there for a contractor that is providing management and safety supervision. Pay is over $45/hr.


That's good coin, Tax. I'd do 'er if'n I was younger.....................................a lot younger.






LOT LOT LOT
 

L Gilbert

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You are exaggeratting quite a bit Les.
Well, I admit that as far as the millions per month salary.

Sure, there is a shortage of accommodation in Ft Mac and the cost of living is quite high, but the fact remains that the employers are only upping the ante at every turn as there is a big shortage of employees.

Even if it cost a guy $3000 a month to live (rent + food), they would still be $20k-$30k ahead of the game after tax as opposed to sitting at home on EI that maxs-out at around $3000/month, spend a couple thousand on living and still have no job prospects on the horizon.
Well, my point is that net salary is relative to gross and cost of living. From what I saw, finding accommodation in Fort Mac is a pain and quite a few people share living space or have to travel a fair ways to work (adding more to living expenses). And if you have a family, finding living space is even more awkward. A few people from around here spend weeks there and then fly back to their families here for a few weeks. More expense. (It makes me shake my head that one can fly to Europe and back cheaper than getting a one way flight to somewhere in Canuckville).

Anyway, I know a few folks that will work at whatever job they can in order to get by, but some folks won't even try to get work doing something menial because its beneath them. So I think the menial job situation in Canada is pretty much in equilibrium and Canadians that will work at any job all working. What's left is foreign workers to fill the rest of the menial jobs.