....and here you all are yet again following SJP around like lost little puppy dogs.
Awwww. Isn't that nice.
Tea Party Protests: 'Ni**er,' 'Fa**ot' Shouted At Members Of Congress
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Awwww. Isn't that nice.
Now terrorists are sending death threats to the Congress after the house vote. As it stands now, 10 Democrats and 2 Republicans have received death threats, some offices have had white powder mailed to them in envelopes, and windows broken, one with a bullet....
Sore losers...
Sore losers...
I recall when Tommy Douglas (the father of Medicare) introduced it into Saskatchewan. We had work slowdowns, riots, etc. Never mind that most of us didn't have insurance. This concept of universal health care was very foreign to us. It was later adopted by all Canadians. Now - try and take it away from us. (Our system isn't perfect, and we will always have to review it, creating changes as we go along to keep/make it sustainable. I think that in time the Americans will see its benefits. I wonder though if the Insurance Companies will lower their rates. They may in fact increase them, and make it impossible for those with preconditions to participate. That would be the downfall of Obama's plan. I don't think he has placed caps on what they can charge. Presently, I am very concerned about the potential for violence over this in the USA. I am fearful that someone might be killed over this. The wingnuts are making threats, and so many citizens are allowed to carry guns.
Insurance companies will not lower the rates; the reform is not designed to lower the insurance rates.
Without the reform, the insurance rates were scheduled to go through the roof in a few years. The reform will slow down the rate of increase. But I do hope Democrats don’t try to sell the reform as lowering the insurance rates. The reform was about widening the coverage, not about lowering the rates. The most it will do is to slow down the rate of premium increase.
Just because the Tea Party is against what President Obama is doing and trying to do it of course must be supported by the corporations. The U.S. was suckered when Obama was elected, he said things that some thought had to be done, not realizing that what he was proposing that we become a socialist state like those that seem to be supporting him. He is now getting good marks from the likes of Castro, Chavez, geez we are even starting to ease up on sanctions against Iran.
Yes, the American people were dumb when they elected Obama to the Presidency, but the Tea Party is awakening us up. This is not a Democratic or Republican issue, it is a issue about do we want to be socialist or not.
Why is it misery loves company. (some of you will understand that statement)
Yes, the American people were dumb when they elected Obama to the Presidency, but the Tea Party is awakening us up. This is not a Democratic or Republican issue, it is a issue about do we want to be socialist or not.
Why is it misery loves company. (some of you will understand that statement)
What the tea party routinely misses is that this isn't about socialism. Most Americans are fine with socialism, at least they don't seem to care much about government run roads, bridges, parks, fire departments, police departments, armed forces, airports, seaports, etc.
Making it about socialism is lame. Go ahead, cry tears or be a thug for the insurance company that can't deny you medical coverage now...insanity. That's what this is. Death threats for those who try to make America a healthier country...
Making it about socialism is lame. Go ahead, cry tears or be a thug for the insurance company that can't deny you medical coverage now...insanity. That's what this is. Death threats for those who try to make America a healthier country...
It all boils down to this: most Americans don't want the poorest members of their society to have any medical coverage, and that means the Blacks, and that is plain old fashioned bigotry.
The health care bill that President Obama signed last week bears little resemblance to the reform package he once touted from the campaign trail.
With the final legislative product in hand, it's worth evaluating how it compares to the promises Mr. Obama made to voters regarding the plan's cost, its features and the reform process itself. The difference between then and now couldn't be more stark.
Candidate Obama repeatedly assured the public that his health care plan would cost between $500 billion and $650 billion. This modest amount was to be covered entirety by discontinuing the George W. Bush tax cuts for those earning more than $250,000 a year.
Today, we know that Obamacare will cost at least double that amount. The basic price tag is $940 billion over 10 years, to which one must add the $208 billion "doc fix." This adjustment to the reimbursement doctors receive under Medicare was separated out from the main package to hide Obamacare's true cost.
The "differences" between Sen. Clinton's and Sen. Obama's health care plans have disappeared. Households without a government-approved health care plan face a fine of $2,085. The promised transparency in the legislative drafting process also has disappeared despite the pledge, "These negotiations will be on C-SPAN." A one-day presidential infomercial hardly counts.
President Obama's deals were cut behind closed doors without input from the public or even congressional Republicans - and for good reason. Lawmakers rushed through a plan that bears no resemblance to what voters once were promised.
Told ya some would not understand. When you have been lead around for so long, you forget.
With the final legislative product in hand, it's worth evaluating how it compares to the promises Mr. Obama made to voters regarding the plan's cost, its features and the reform process itself. The difference between then and now couldn't be more stark.
Candidate Obama repeatedly assured the public that his health care plan would cost between $500 billion and $650 billion. This modest amount was to be covered entirety by discontinuing the George W. Bush tax cuts for those earning more than $250,000 a year.
Today, we know that Obamacare will cost at least double that amount. The basic price tag is $940 billion over 10 years, to which one must add the $208 billion "doc fix." This adjustment to the reimbursement doctors receive under Medicare was separated out from the main package to hide Obamacare's true cost.
The "differences" between Sen. Clinton's and Sen. Obama's health care plans have disappeared. Households without a government-approved health care plan face a fine of $2,085. The promised transparency in the legislative drafting process also has disappeared despite the pledge, "These negotiations will be on C-SPAN." A one-day presidential infomercial hardly counts.
President Obama's deals were cut behind closed doors without input from the public or even congressional Republicans - and for good reason. Lawmakers rushed through a plan that bears no resemblance to what voters once were promised.
Told ya some would not understand. When you have been lead around for so long, you forget.
The window of the office of Republican whip Eric Cantor was shattered by a bullet. It was explained on MSNBC that it was not aimed at his office, but it was a bullet shot straight up, and by some coincinence it fell into Mr. Cantor's office window.
That gives you an idea about the credibility of the left-wing media, and the chip-on-the-shoulder crybabies like Lewis and Franks.
That gives you an idea about the credibility of the left-wing media, and the chip-on-the-shoulder crybabies like Lewis and Franks.
Ironsides, I've seen with my own eyes how these things work. There is no way on Earth a grassroots lobby can organize like this without corporate money and related resources. It's impossible.
"Ironsides, I've seen with my own eyes how these things work. There is no way on Earth a grassroots lobby can organize like this without corporate money and related resources. It's impossible."
Of course, Kreskin!
The French Revolution, the American Revolution, even the Bolshevik Revolution were ALL organized, supported and run by big corporations.
Of course, Kreskin!
The French Revolution, the American Revolution, even the Bolshevik Revolution were ALL organized, supported and run by big corporations.
So, what's the long-term projections for how this changes health care expenditures? How much is too much to provide health care to more Americans? By when do Americans need to have insurance?
The macro issues are more important.
I realize you guys live in the 1700's with the founding fathers and all but the world has changed and things work a little differently from the days of Johnny Appleseed.
"I realize you guys live in the 1700's with the founding fathers and all but the world has changed and things work a little differently from the days of Johnny Appleseed."
I think you are under the impression that I am American, based on your "you guys" and "founding fathers" comment.
That is just as wrong as your assertion than a genuine grass-root movement is no longer possible, therefore it must be organized, financed and run by large corporations.
According to you, and your 'reasoning', the Velvet Revolution of Czechoslovakia in 1968, the Hungarian Revolution in 1956 and the revolution that resulted in the break up of the Soviet Union were - had to be - sponsored by corporations.
I think you are under the impression that I am American, based on your "you guys" and "founding fathers" comment.
That is just as wrong as your assertion than a genuine grass-root movement is no longer possible, therefore it must be organized, financed and run by large corporations.
According to you, and your 'reasoning', the Velvet Revolution of Czechoslovakia in 1968, the Hungarian Revolution in 1956 and the revolution that resulted in the break up of the Soviet Union were - had to be - sponsored by corporations.
"I'm just telling you this is the way it works. I've seen it from the inside"
YEAH, me too. In 1956, in the Hungarian Revolution.
Now, that we know that, the only mystery is: who are the evil corporations supporting, financing, organizing and running the Tea Party movement?
YEAH, me too. In 1956, in the Hungarian Revolution.
Now, that we know that, the only mystery is: who are the evil corporations supporting, financing, organizing and running the Tea Party movement?
Here ya go, check the Tea Party out. I don't see what corporations have to do with anything, they will make out no matter who wins. With the new law covering contributions, if the "Tea Party" was getting corporate money, they would be richer than either the Democrats or Republican.
Tea Party Patriots
Palin pumps up tea party activists in dusty Nevada desert hometown of Democrat Harry Reid - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
The tea party movement is a far-flung coalition of conservative groups angered by Washington spending, rising taxes and the growth and reach of government.
Tea Party Patriots
Palin pumps up tea party activists in dusty Nevada desert hometown of Democrat Harry Reid - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
The tea party movement is a far-flung coalition of conservative groups angered by Washington spending, rising taxes and the growth and reach of government.