Swine Flu Update, 1100 Dead So Far

[Tonington]

We've been told this was coming for months. Playing at semantics only proves your ignorance.

It's not semantics. The virus didn't show up until this spring. How do you make a vaccine without the virus? You can't just guess at what the viral envelope is going to resemble, and then produce a vaccine and just hope that it contains some of those proteins.

I mean the vaccine just rolled out in Canada this past week. They had the vaccine, but needed to perform at least some tests with it.

So my question is not semantical at all. How do you get a proven vaccine for a new pandemic?

The US food and drug investigated and tested the "swine flu" vaccine months ago, and declared it "safe" (barring the very few cases which are going to prove the rule). The US F&D is a very conservative element, and does not take its job lightly.

The virus appeared in April. You cannot have a "proven" vaccine for a brand new virus, that hasn't even been used over one entire cycle of infection.

I can't get the vaccine (over 65), until it's released to us old fogies later in Nov., at which time, I shall. Any media hysteria concerning "side effects" should be documented and wafting away by that time.

I'm getting mine November as well.

For the record Nug, I'm not saying people shouldn't get the vaccine, I was merely pointing out that not getting a vaccine for a pandemic flu, just because the vaccine is unproven is asinine. It's not really proven until it's used wide scale. The whole point of vaccinations on mass scales like this are to reduce the pool of susceptible individuals, and thereby decrease the spread of infection.

We won't know how successful that is, which is not necessarily the vaccine efficacy, but more likely the efficacy of the vaccination program, until after the outbreak has passed.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I don't know what information you are getting but even on our local health site, they explain the adjuvant and it's lack of danger to each person. I think people have to bear in mind that we are talking about one shot here. Our vaccine was made in France. Americans have been having the adjuvant all along with regular flu shots.

The Regular Flu shot, and the H1N1 shot, are two different things, & I believe
that we're both correct in what we have each stated.

The Adjuvant for the average person is not only a non-issue, but a benefit. For
me it's a non-issue. Some people with a compromised immune system are
advised to NOT take the Vaccine that includes the Adjuvant, as in your post,
perhaps the wording should be, "and it's lack of danger to most people."

 

[AnnaG]

I feel sad for those families that lost members.

I heard on radio yesterday that at the rate the four Calgary clinics were going, they would have people all vaccinated by some time in the new year. Officials were surprised by the numbers, they said. I am wondering why they were surprised. Don't they know how many people live in Calgary and area? Dunces.

 

[Tonington]

It's five clinics now. Calgarians can get their jab at the Olympic Oval now. Also, they're allocating additional staff at the clinics. But it comes at the expense of other health services.

 

[AnnaG]

It's five clinics now. Calgarians can get their jab at the Olympic Oval now. Also, they're allocating additional staff at the clinics. But it comes at the expense of other health services.

That figures. Obviously, this procedure wasn't very well planned for.

 

[Tonington]

It's should be obvious to them. Our health care system is already spread quite thin. This is why good preparation for situations like this is so important. Seems Calgary Health may have underestimated, and I'm sure it's not limited to just Calgary.

 

[Risus]

It's not semantics. The virus didn't show up until this spring. How do you make a vaccine without the virus? You can't just guess at what the viral envelope is going to resemble, and then produce a vaccine and just hope that it contains some of those proteins.

I believe the virus was around last fall...

Anyway I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about the flu....

 

[Tonington]

It wasn't until April that the genetics of the new flu were identified. Search Google's news archive; April is where the news events spike, as well as the number of cases. Of course the flu didn't spontaneously come into the world in April. A new flu isn't known immediately now is it?

 

[Risus]

It wasn't until April that the genetics of the new flu were identified. Search Google's news archive; April is where the news events spike, as well as the number of cases. Of course the flu didn't spontaneously come into the world in April. A new flu isn't known immediately now is it?

They've been talking about swine flu for well over a year now...

 

[Tonington]

Who is they? Like I said, go to Google, click on news, enter "H1N1 swine flu", search, and then click on the 2009 date on the left. It brings up a histogram, and you can plainly see that after April, the hits are through the roof.

If they, are anyone who were publishing in peer or popular press, Google news would return hits.

 

[Risus]

Who is they? Like I said, go to Google, click on news, enter "H1N1 swine flu", search, and then click on the 2009 date on the left. It brings up a histogram, and you can plainly see that after April, the hits are through the roof.

If they, are anyone who were publishing in peer or popular press, Google news would return hits.

Can't be bothered. Besides why are you getting your shorts in a knot??? Are you that thin skinned?

'They' are the newscasts.

Edit: Check wikipedia....

 

[Stretch]

We blundered over swine flu, admit health chiefs

By: malterwitty
Tags:

• SCIENCE/HEALTH/CLIMATE/NATURE

Global health chiefs have finally admitted that they may have overreacted to the swine flu 'pandemic' - landing governments with millions of unused vaccines.

 

[Walter]

Next flu will combine the deadly swine and bird flus. It will be called, 'When Pigs Fly' flu. Be very scared.

 

[JLM]

Next flu will combine the deadly swine and bird flus. It will be called, 'When Pigs Fly' flu. Be very scared.

You're swift this morning, Walter. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[CDNBear]

Walter, you do realize that Stretch's article is actually worth reading right?

 

[darkbeaver]

flu vaccine recipients are 273.2% more likely to contract flu--------isn't that efficient if you're making billions off disease


Does Seasonal Influenza Vaccination Increase the Risk of Illness with the 2009 A/H1N1 Pandemic Virus?
Viboud C, Simonsen L (2010) Does Seasonal Influenza Vaccination Increase the Risk of Illness with the 2009 A/H1N1 Pandemic Virus? PLoS Med 7(4): e1000259. doi:10.1371/journal.pmed.1000259

Care to guess what the study found? In short, it found that people who received the seasonal flu vaccine shot in 2008 were up to 274% more likely to be infected by H1N1 swine flu than those who skipped the season flu shots.

Season flu vaccines have a "counterproductive effect"

This result, which virtually all the top natural health writers openly predicted last year, apparently stunned the researchers. As explained in the published study, "Danuta Skowronski and colleagues report the unexpected results of a series of Canadian epidemiological studies suggesting a counterproductive effect of the vaccine."

In this case, "counterproductive effect" of the vaccine means that it works against you. Getting the vaccine shot appears to actually make you MORE susceptible to being infected with (and potentially killed by) a future pandemic.

If this sounds familiar, it's because we've been saying this over and over again to anyone who will listen: Flu vaccines are a medical scam, folks! A Big Pharma hoax. Getting a vaccine shot could actually result in you being killed by the next seasonal flu or pandemic outbreak that comes along. I even wrote this into the lyrics of my hip-hop song Don't Inject Me
http://www.naturalnews.com/028538_seasonal_flu_shot_vaccines.html

 

[Walter]

Walter, you do realize that Stretch's article is actually worth reading right?

So is my post.

 

[ironsides]

So what if it was a false alarm this time and there was near panic getting those most susceptible vaccinated first, the vaccine is no different than a regular flu shot with similar health risks. Better to take the shots than get the flu, any flu. Th shots do not give you the flu.

 

[darkbeaver]

So what if it was a false alarm this time and there was near panic getting those most susceptible vaccinated first, the vaccine is no different than a regular flu shot with similar health risks. Better to take the shots than get the flu, any flu. Th shots do not give you the flu.

Since you regrettably do not have an imagination let me attempt to penetrate your concrete brain bucket. The flu was manufactured because that is more efficient than waiting for the wild variety. That's called 'building a market' a practice that is very popular among those entrepenurinal exponents who may wish to sell products to an unsuspecting docile public who are convinced that everything wrapped in plastic is safe reliable and effective because we have inspectors and regulators who work in the publics best interest. Better to get the flu than punch the junk into your veins. Once the immune system is suppressed by vaccination you may catch just about anything. You are obviously in favour of promoting drug abuse. ;-)

 

[darkbeaver]

create the problem, sell the solution, collect de gold, who cares about the dead, they are replaceable consumer units