Good morning JLM.
Feeling a little overwhelmed by all the bad news lately, are we?
Here. This may cheer you up.
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Swine Flu, a conspiracy?
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Good morning JLM.
Feeling a little overwhelmed by all the bad news lately, are we?
Here. This may cheer you up.
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Yep, Cliff, I guess a little humour can be found in pretty well everything. I think the media will make us sicker than the swine flu' ever will.
Don't the nuts surround conspiracy from all angles Joe? Aren't these nuts the vital component of all human developement? Are you trying to tell us big nuts aren't important? How can someone who fails to entertain conspiracy and thier nuts entertain solutions or meaningful advancements? Counter-conspiracy must be an interesting growth industry with good potential. At this time of economic uncertainty shouldn't we be trying to encourage our youth to get thier shovels in the brains and dig up some good ideas? I'm a little suspicious of lose and sloppy counter-conspiracy ideas. Sometimes your writing has a suspicious alien slant to it and you sometimes drop offworld turns of phrase. What are you hiding I wonder?:lol:
Your surgery is booked for Monday morning try and be drunk when you get there I just have to get the rubber gloves at Canadian tire on the way in Monday, jeesus I hope the shakeing stops this weekend. Liver wasn't it?:lol:
Being a little bit of a conspiracy nut myself, i believe in my own little opinion that it is just a product of mother nature, like you guys are saying...
johnny cash fan?
johnny cash fan?
I reviewed Monty Pythons body of work last week as well, we must thank Juan again for the link. The Hilter skit splits me to pieces still.
Swine Flu is a fact. I think, that it influenza maybe similar to 'Spanish flu'. 'Spanish flu' was a pandemic and it caused deadly events during the First World War period, mainly between soldiers and cilvilians. Today medicine and hygiene is on a high level, but the risk is really.
Hey- you gotta die eh? It would sure be a piss off if a guy crawled through a thousand hoops to be safe from the Swine flu just to be run over by a truck a week later.
Says who? When you can get your spelling up to snuff you can start reading the newspapers..........................:lol::lol::lol::lol:
CTV Toronto - H1N1 flu outbreak reported at Ontario summer camps - CTV News, Shows and Sports -- Canadian Television
Sure these campers sickness didn't come from a bacteria in the water?
WHO | Nipah virus
Update: Outbreak of Nipah Virus -- Malaysia and Singapore, 1999
Hendra virus (Feature Article)
CDC H1N1 Flu | H1N1 Flu and You
Is every flu now called ../swine flu /Hendra/ Nipah virus/N1H1?
This all sounds a little odd to me...Think I'll hold off on any flu shots goin around...till The medical communitee can get all the facts right...
I think we should lump every flu together and just call it .."The WHO FlU
Sure these campers sickness didn't come from a bacteria in the water?
WHO | Nipah virus
Update: Outbreak of Nipah Virus -- Malaysia and Singapore, 1999
Hendra virus (Feature Article)
CDC H1N1 Flu | H1N1 Flu and You
Is every flu now called ../swine flu /Hendra/ Nipah virus/N1H1?
This all sounds a little odd to me...Think I'll hold off on any flu shots goin around...till The medical communitee can get all the facts right...
I think we should lump every flu together and just call it .."The WHO FlU
I doubt it, although the number of deaths at the outset was an anomaly, but that could be accounted for in that, it probably killed off a lot of people who health wasn't too good anyway, and some probably died from other causes. I think the media has probably contributed greatly to this epidemic- a lot of times if you think you are going to get sick you do. I remember the flu' of 1957 and it was a real son of a bitch, but we were tougher in those days, since then our immune systems have been screwed up by too many antibiotics. A healthy body has its own immune system which will take care of most things. I for one am not going to get too excited, just get my annual flu shot. It's the very young and the old codgers who have to worry the most.
Take flu vaccines at your own risk and your child's.
Toxicology
Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with a danger of cumulative effects. It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol N).[8] In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and thiosalicylate.[3]
Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown. Fecal excretion accounts for most of the elimination from the body. Ethylmercury clears from blood with a half-time of about 18 days, and from the brain in about 14 days. Inorganic mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer clearance, at least 120 days; it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood.[9]
Risk assessment for effects on the nervous system have been made by extrapolating from dose-response relationships for methylmercury.[9] Methylmercury and ethylmercury distributes to all body tissues, crossing the blood-brain barrier and the placental barrier, and ethylmercury also moves freely throughout the body.[10] Concerns based on extrapolations from methylmercury caused thiomersal to be removed from U.S. childhood vaccines, starting in 1999. Since then, it has been found that ethylmercury is cleared from the body and the brain significantly faster than methylmercury, so the late-1990s risk assessments turned out to be overly conservative.[9] A 2008 study found that the half-life of blood mercury after vaccination averages 3.7 days for newborns and infants, much shorter than the 44 days for methylmercury.[11]
[edit] Allergies
Thiomersal is used in patch testing for people who have dermatitis, conjunctivitis, and other potentially allergic reactions. A 2007 study in Norway found that 1.9% of adults had a positive patch test reaction to thiomersal;[12] a higher prevalence of contact allergy (up to 6.6%) was observed in German populations.[13] Thiomersal-sensitive individuals can receive intramuscular rather than subcutaneous immunization,[14] so contact allergy is usually clinically irrelevant.[13] Thiomersal allergy has decreased in Denmark, probably because of its exclusion from vaccines there.[15]
It was voted Allergen of the Year in 2002 by the American Contact Dermatitis Society.
[edit] Autism
Main article: Thiomersal controversy
Although there is no convincing evidence that thiomersal is a factor in the onset of autism, many parents, and some scientists and doctors, believe there is a connection.[16] Parents may first become aware of autistic symptoms in their child around the time of a routine vaccination, and parental concern about vaccines has led to a decreasing uptake of childhood immunizations and an increasing likelihood of measles outbreaks.[3][17] More than 5,000 U.S. families have filed claims in a federal vaccine court alleging autism was caused by vaccines, most implicating thiomersal; the majority of these claims are still being adjudicated.[16] The U.S. federal government agreed to award damages in one case, to a girl with a mitochondrial enzyme deficiency who developed autistic-like symptoms after receiving a series of vaccines,[18] some of which contained thiomersal. Many parents view this ruling as confirming that vaccines cause regressive autism;[19] however, most children with autism do not seem to have mitochondrial disorders, and the case was conceded without proof of causation.[
I still refuse to take this stuff. Elderberries do a good job without side effects.
Toxicology
Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with a danger of cumulative effects. It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol N).[8] In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and thiosalicylate.[3]
Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown. Fecal excretion accounts for most of the elimination from the body. Ethylmercury clears from blood with a half-time of about 18 days, and from the brain in about 14 days. Inorganic mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer clearance, at least 120 days; it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood.[9]
Risk assessment for effects on the nervous system have been made by extrapolating from dose-response relationships for methylmercury.[9] Methylmercury and ethylmercury distributes to all body tissues, crossing the blood-brain barrier and the placental barrier, and ethylmercury also moves freely throughout the body.[10] Concerns based on extrapolations from methylmercury caused thiomersal to be removed from U.S. childhood vaccines, starting in 1999. Since then, it has been found that ethylmercury is cleared from the body and the brain significantly faster than methylmercury, so the late-1990s risk assessments turned out to be overly conservative.[9] A 2008 study found that the half-life of blood mercury after vaccination averages 3.7 days for newborns and infants, much shorter than the 44 days for methylmercury.[11]
[edit] Allergies
Thiomersal is used in patch testing for people who have dermatitis, conjunctivitis, and other potentially allergic reactions. A 2007 study in Norway found that 1.9% of adults had a positive patch test reaction to thiomersal;[12] a higher prevalence of contact allergy (up to 6.6%) was observed in German populations.[13] Thiomersal-sensitive individuals can receive intramuscular rather than subcutaneous immunization,[14] so contact allergy is usually clinically irrelevant.[13] Thiomersal allergy has decreased in Denmark, probably because of its exclusion from vaccines there.[15]
It was voted Allergen of the Year in 2002 by the American Contact Dermatitis Society.
[edit] Autism
Main article: Thiomersal controversy
Although there is no convincing evidence that thiomersal is a factor in the onset of autism, many parents, and some scientists and doctors, believe there is a connection.[16] Parents may first become aware of autistic symptoms in their child around the time of a routine vaccination, and parental concern about vaccines has led to a decreasing uptake of childhood immunizations and an increasing likelihood of measles outbreaks.[3][17] More than 5,000 U.S. families have filed claims in a federal vaccine court alleging autism was caused by vaccines, most implicating thiomersal; the majority of these claims are still being adjudicated.[16] The U.S. federal government agreed to award damages in one case, to a girl with a mitochondrial enzyme deficiency who developed autistic-like symptoms after receiving a series of vaccines,[18] some of which contained thiomersal. Many parents view this ruling as confirming that vaccines cause regressive autism;[19] however, most children with autism do not seem to have mitochondrial disorders, and the case was conceded without proof of causation.[
I still refuse to take this stuff. Elderberries do a good job without side effects.
Whether you believe this swine flu thing is a conspiracy or not, here are the latest facts from the WHO.
WHO: Swine Flu Fastest Spreading Pandemic Ever
Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:00 PM
The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Thursday that the H1N1 flu pandemic was the fastest-moving pandemic ever and that it was now pointless to count every case.
The United Nations agency, which declared an influenza pandemic on June 11, revised its requirements so that national health authorities need only report clusters of severe cases or deaths caused by the new virus or unusual clinical patterns.
"The 2009 influenza pandemic has spread internationally with unprecedented speed. In past pandemics, influenza viruses have needed more than six months to spread as widely as the new H1N1 virus has spread in less than six weeks," it said in a statement on the new strain, commonly known as swine flu.
It has become nearly impossible for health authorities and laboratories to keep count of individual cases -- which have mostly been mild -- as the virus spreads, according to the 193 member-state agency.
The new flu strain can be treated by antivirals such as Roche Holding's Tamiflu or GlaxoSmithKline's Relenza, but many patients recover without medical treatment.
Flu experts say at least a million people are infected in the United States alone, and the WHO says the pandemic is unstoppable.
"It is very much agreed that trying to register and report every single case is a huge waste of resources," WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl said.
Such tracking has limited authorities' capacity to investigate serious cases and is no longer essential to monitor the level or nature of the risk posed by the virus, WHO said.
However, all countries should still closely monitor unusual clusters of severe or fatal infections from the pandemic virus, clusters of respiratory illness requiring hospitalization or unexplained or unusual clinical patterns.
"Signals to be vigilant for include spikes in rates of absenteeism from schools or workplaces, or a more severe disease pattern, as suggested by, for example, a surge in emergency department visits," it said.
Britain reported on Thursday that 29 people had died to date after contracting the virus. Health Minister Andy Burnham said this month the government was projecting more than 100,000 new cases a day of the flu in the country by the end of August.
The WHO will no longer issue global tables showing the numbers of confirmed cases for all countries -- which stood at 94,512 cases with 429 deaths as of its last update on July 6.
Instead, it will issue regular updates on the situation in newly affected countries, which should report the first confirmed cases, weekly figures and epidemiological details.
Countries should still test a limited number of virus samples weekly to confirm that disease is actually due to the pandemic virus and to monitor any virological changes that may be important for the development of vaccines, it said.
At least 50 governments have placed orders for vaccines against the new H1N1 strain or negotiating with drug makers, WHO vaccine chief Marie-Paule Kieny told Reuters.
The WHO does not report figures for cases of seasonal influenza, which it says is linked to 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year globally.
© 2009 Reuters.
WHO: Swine Flu Fastest Spreading Pandemic Ever
Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:00 PM
The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Thursday that the H1N1 flu pandemic was the fastest-moving pandemic ever and that it was now pointless to count every case.
The United Nations agency, which declared an influenza pandemic on June 11, revised its requirements so that national health authorities need only report clusters of severe cases or deaths caused by the new virus or unusual clinical patterns.
"The 2009 influenza pandemic has spread internationally with unprecedented speed. In past pandemics, influenza viruses have needed more than six months to spread as widely as the new H1N1 virus has spread in less than six weeks," it said in a statement on the new strain, commonly known as swine flu.
It has become nearly impossible for health authorities and laboratories to keep count of individual cases -- which have mostly been mild -- as the virus spreads, according to the 193 member-state agency.
The new flu strain can be treated by antivirals such as Roche Holding's Tamiflu or GlaxoSmithKline's Relenza, but many patients recover without medical treatment.
Flu experts say at least a million people are infected in the United States alone, and the WHO says the pandemic is unstoppable.
"It is very much agreed that trying to register and report every single case is a huge waste of resources," WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl said.
Such tracking has limited authorities' capacity to investigate serious cases and is no longer essential to monitor the level or nature of the risk posed by the virus, WHO said.
However, all countries should still closely monitor unusual clusters of severe or fatal infections from the pandemic virus, clusters of respiratory illness requiring hospitalization or unexplained or unusual clinical patterns.
"Signals to be vigilant for include spikes in rates of absenteeism from schools or workplaces, or a more severe disease pattern, as suggested by, for example, a surge in emergency department visits," it said.
Britain reported on Thursday that 29 people had died to date after contracting the virus. Health Minister Andy Burnham said this month the government was projecting more than 100,000 new cases a day of the flu in the country by the end of August.
The WHO will no longer issue global tables showing the numbers of confirmed cases for all countries -- which stood at 94,512 cases with 429 deaths as of its last update on July 6.
Instead, it will issue regular updates on the situation in newly affected countries, which should report the first confirmed cases, weekly figures and epidemiological details.
Countries should still test a limited number of virus samples weekly to confirm that disease is actually due to the pandemic virus and to monitor any virological changes that may be important for the development of vaccines, it said.
At least 50 governments have placed orders for vaccines against the new H1N1 strain or negotiating with drug makers, WHO vaccine chief Marie-Paule Kieny told Reuters.
The WHO does not report figures for cases of seasonal influenza, which it says is linked to 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year globally.
© 2009 Reuters.
