Survivors recall Nazi-led raid on Polish village

[darkbeaver]

The British can point their fingers at Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was the most evil regime in history, not the British Empire, the most benign empire the world has ever known. I can't ever recall the British Empire systematically and deliberately killing 6 million innocent people because they were considered to be undesirables.

I think it's disgusting to compare the British Empire to a regime as evil as the Nazis.

You have to remember that it was the British Empire which fought and defeated Nazi fascism.

four million Bengals WW2, their ruin would stop the Japanese perhaps

If they didn't get the Chinese blasted on opium, they would have given them what for.

The British Empire was funded by being dope peddlers.

Now there is something to be proud of.

Was?

 

[Cliffy]

Was?

The Yanks took over that job, although the Brits still have their hands dirty.

 

[hunboldt]

four million Bengals WW2, their ruin would stop the Japanese perhaps



Was?

You no doubt didn't notice- But Bengal is rather away from the conflict in the Western Ukraine- to put it mildly...:lol:

Ukraine and the third Polish Republic have made up their differences'- mostly- and are rather united against the Big powers in the area- mostly.:smile:

 

[L Gilbert]

The British can point their fingers at Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was the most evil regime in history, not the British Empire, the most benign empire the world has ever known. I can't ever recall the British Empire systematically and deliberately killing 6 million innocent people because they were considered to be undesirables.

I think it's disgusting to compare the British Empire to a regime as evil as the Nazis.

You have to remember that it was the British Empire which fought and defeated Nazi fascism.

lol I spose if one reinvented history, one could say that.

 

[Spade]

"I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.

"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affect"
-Winston Churchill, May, 1919.

 

[Blackleaf]

Shoe on the other foot? I wonder what we'd hear if Indians or Chinese or Aboriginals or Rhodesians had been mighty enough to defeat British imperialism? The only real difference between heroes and war criminals (too many times) is who won....

You make it sound as though Britain is the only country to have had an empire, even though the list of current and former states to have had empires over the millenia is a long one and, of all those empires, the British Empire was the most benign one there was.

And, as I've pointed out before, as a Canadian you should be grateful for the British Empire. I mean, how the hell do think Canada started?

lol I spose if one reinvented history, one could say that.

Where was the innacurracy in what I said? If you know, point it out.

 

[Nuggler]

Tales such as these should be recounted to every school child to show them the horrors that the Nazis perpetrated in Europe not long ago.

This morning on Sunday Morning Live on BBC1 there was an elderly lady being interviewed live on webcam who survived the Holocaust. She spent two years at Auschwitz-Birkenau and she said that she saw 10,000 innocent people being killed every DAY. She had a job whilst at Auschwitz (a job that the Nazis forced her to do) - which was to sort out all the belongings of those thousands upon thousands of people who were murdered there.

They called that division "Canada"...........Google it. It saved a bunch of folks

 

[Blackleaf]

They called that division "Canada"...........Google it. It saved a bunch of folks

Yeah. My mother was telling me about that the other day.

 

[Nuggler]

You make it sound as though Britain is the only country to have had an empire, even though the list of current and former states to have had empires over the millenia is a long one and, of all those empires, the British Empire was the most benign one there was.

And, as I've pointed out before, as a Canadian you should be grateful for the British Empire. I mean, how the hell do think Canada started?



...............Mostly by the Scots.

 

[lone wolf]

You make it sound as though Britain is the only country to have had an empire, even though the list of current and former states to have had empires over the millenia is a long one and, of all those empires, the British Empire was the most benign one there was.

Nobody has ever built an empire where the local people don't pay

And, as I've pointed out before, as a Canadian you should be grateful for the British Empire. I mean, how the hell do think Canada started?

Treasure hunters....

 

[gerryh]

I mean, how the hell do think Canada started?

France/French

 

[L Gilbert]

You make it sound as though Britain is the only country to have had an empire, even though the list of current and former states to have had empires over the millenia is a long one and, of all those empires, the British Empire was the most benign one there was.

lol Yeah, England never beat any other place on the planet into submission. Norman invasion of Ireland, independence wars in Scotland, England hiring pirates to steal stuff from other places of the world and colonising in order to gain riches and power, American War of Independence, conquest of India, etc. etc.

And, as I've pointed out before, as a Canadian you should be grateful for the British Empire. I mean, how the hell do think Canada started?

Immigration from a fair number of countries. Haven't you ever wondered why people emigrated from the UK? It just might possibly be that they wanted to escape Britain, you know.

Where was the innacurracy in what I said? If you know, point it out.

For starters, the UK might well have gone under until other countries pitched in.

 

[Blackleaf]

Norman invasion of Ireland,

As the name implies, that was the Normans - who had also just invaded England, England being under Norman occupation- who did that. It was Norman England - an England under Norman rule itself - which initially invaded Ireland.

What next? Are you going to blame the English for the Viking invasions of Ireland, too?

If you read your history books you will actually find that it was the Irish who invaded and occupied Britain long before the British invaded and occupied Ireland. Bands of Irish raiders and pirates terrorised the coast of the Roman province of Britannia, leading the Romans to call them "Scotti", meaning "pirates/raiders". Eventually these Scotti settled along the north west coast and the western islands of Britain, creating their own kingdom there. This eventually merged with the kingdom of the Picts - who occupied the lands to their east and north east - to form a new kingdom which those Irish colonisers - the Scotti - gave their name to: Scotland.

Funnily enough, none of this period of British history is ever written in the Irish nationalist history books. Too much of an inconvenient truth for them, I suppose, that the Irish invaded and colonised Britain first.

independence wars in Scotland,

As everyone here knows, you're an absolute expert on the Scottish wars of independence, aren't you? In my opinion it was the English who were on the side of right and the Scots in the wrong in that conflict.

England hiring pirates to steal stuff from other places of the world and colonising in order to gain riches and power,

They weren't pirates. They were privateers.

And you make it sound as though England was the only country that did that sort of stuff. You should read about the history of the Spanish and Portuguese involvement in South America.

American War of Independence,

If it wasn't for the British Empire there'd be no USA today. You make it sound as though Britain invaded and occupied the USA, when that wasn't the case.

And, if you look in your history books, only one small part of what is now the USA was British. That is the area we now call New England. The rest of what is now the USA - the whole central and western parts - was once under French and Spanish or Mexican rule and Alaska was once Russian. Hawaii was once an independent state - a monarchy - in its own right for centuries until the US invaded and annexed it.

And remember this, one of the first things the newly independent USA did was to invade Canada. Thankfully for you, the British kicked them out.

conquest of India, etc. etc.

That's what empires do, mate. Conquer countries. It's been going on for millennia.

Haven't you ever wondered why people emigrated from the UK?

It may be the same reasons why people emigrate from Canada and other countries.

For starters, the UK might well have gone under until other countries pitched in.

Go on then. Give me some example. And I don't want to read the usual "America in the Second World War". Many historians are of the opinion that Britain would still have won that war even if the Yanks didn't belatedly join in.

 

[Colpy]

"I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.

"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affect"
-Winston Churchill, May, 1919.

What's your point???

The British can point their fingers at Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was the most evil regime in history, not the British Empire, the most benign empire the world has ever known. I can't ever recall the British Empire systematically and deliberately killing 6 million innocent people because they were considered to be undesirables.

I think it's disgusting to compare the British Empire to a regime as evil as the Nazis.

You have to remember that it was the British Empire which fought and defeated Nazi fascism.

Actually, the Chinese Communist Party (still in power) was and is the worst regime in the history of manmkind, if the height of the pile of dead bodies is the ruler.

Followed by the Stalinist regime in the USSR.

Poor old Adolph only rates a third.

Although otherwise your post is correct.

The freest nations on earth were all once ruled by Great Britain.

That is not a coincidence.

 

[Blackleaf]

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"I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.
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"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affect"
-Winston Churchill, May, 1919.

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On 12 May 1919, faced with rebel­lious tribes­men in Iraq, Churchill wrote the above from the War Office.

“Lachry­ma­tory gas” is of course tear gas - which is non-lethal - and anti-Churchill crit­ics usu­ally edit Churchill’s last sen­tence out - "The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum."

They usually also miss out the sentence that was provided above:
"It is not nec­es­sary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great incon­ve­nience and would spread a lively ter­ror and yet would leave no seri­ous per­ma­nent effects on most of those affected."

Many people just don't read the quote carefully.