Survivors recall Nazi-led raid on Polish village

[hunboldt]

In the case of the Polish Underground and the Nazis can be simplified yes indeed
The fact is the Germans invaded Poland and the soldiers had no right to be there.
The man who did this is a criminal and should be brought to justice for his crime.
I don't give a dam* if he is 94, or a 104 he needs to be publically tried and people
should know he is a murdering coward.
I have no time for Nazis no matter where they are or who they are.
As for the British Empire, now there is a stellar lot from the past. The Acadians
alone should be enough to make the jolly old Empire shudder. What happened in
Atlantic Canada was the largest Ethnic Cleansing of its time. People uprooted and
moved to make way for the British to take the land and destroy a way of life. The
State and Church sponsored residential schools fiasco was also done in the realm
of the British Empire in this country.
No the British, the French the Dutch and so on were heavily involved in the slave trade,
the drug trade, and God knows what else for a few hundred years and now in many
cases the future generations are paying for all those sins.
That is why right down to the last living Nazi they need to be tried and convicted fro their
crimes, as an atonement for the victims.

What you have to remember is that the Second Polish Republic was the Occupying power in the Western Ukraine from 1920-1939, and that occupation was pretty petty and abusive, leaving a lot of Ukrainians and Belarus seeking payback.

Polish history in the west got some sanitation done on it -Postwar.

 

[Colpy]

And how long did people go on about it afterwards was the question. Were people in the 1880s wandering around the globe looking for 90+ year old French soldiers?

There is a difference between a French SOLDIER, and a Nazi collaborator that murdered villages full of civilians.......

Although it is about time we gave up hunting them..............

 

[petros]

See beaver's post.

 

[hunboldt]

There is a difference between a French SOLDIER, and a Nazi collaborator that murdered villages full of civilians.......

Although it is about time we gave up hunting them..............

The Nazi occupation did rather successfully play off the UPA and the AK factions against each other, as their post war plans called for a pure German Galicia.

the UPA saw itself as fighting for and independent Ukrainian -Ruslyn State.

There is a difference between a French SOLDIER, and a Nazi collaborator that murdered villages full of civilians.......

Although it is about time we gave up hunting them..............

Again- its complex. My Polish grandfather and his Ukrainian bride were considered an unusual match in the 1920's. A lot of the 'polish regualtion' was both petty and mindless. the taxation was oppressive.

In 1926, the Bankrupt Polish republic built a massive , spare no expense mausoleum to the 'fallen Eaglets of Lviv'(- Lv'ov- Lemberg)- paid for by extraction from the local Ukrainian peasants. A reminder of who de Bossman was..

So my ancestors left for Canada..

 

[Walter]

...and Obama and lefties.

Just feel sorry for them and their lack of intelligence.

The Napoleanic Wars between 1803-1815 cost something less than 4 million lives.

In one half that time (1939-1945) 50 million died in the Second World War.

Mostly at the hands of Stalin and his tactics.

 

[L Gilbert]

Nasty people kill others; mostly because of politics and religion. Some are pure nutjobs, like Hitler and kill/have people killed for no rational reason. Some kill for other reasons; money, fear, etc.

 

[darkbeaver]

Tales such as these should be recounted to every school child to show them the horrors that the Nazis perpetrated in Europe not long ago.

This morning on Sunday Morning Live on BBC1 there was an elderly lady being interviewed live on webcam who survived the Holocaust. She spent two years at Auschwitz-Birkenau and she said that she saw 10,000 innocent people being killed every DAY. She had a job whilst at Auschwitz (a job that the Nazis forced her to do) - which was to sort out all the belongings of those thousands upon thousands of people who were murdered there.

Do you recall her name sir?

 

[Cliffy]

Don't be ridiculous.

What whitewashed version of history are you looking at?

 

[hunboldt]

Just feel sorry for them and their lack of intelligence.

Mostly at the hands of Stalin and his tactics.

perhaps the one good thing that Koba the Dread did was to draw a dividing ling just past the River San- Poles one side, Ruslyns on the other- and no body crosses until you stop shooting at each other..

Livi /lwow/lemberg /is now a tourist attraction, including its restored cemeteries

But not the massive shrine to Polish glory.....

Lviv Alive | Feature Articles | A Visit to Lviv's Lychakiv Cemetery

 

[gerryh]

Don't be ridiculous.

Dresden..... Hiroshima....Nagasaki.......

 

[WLDB]

Get it all recorded before they leave us.

I feel weird agreeing with you. I do right now though.

The Napoleanic Wars between 1803-1815 cost something less than 4 million lives.

In one half that time (1939-1945) 50 million died in the Second World War.

The population of Europe was also a lot lower during the Napoleonic wars.

 

[L Gilbert]

Dresden..... Hiroshima....Nagasaki.......

Late 1800s Nigeria, colonialisation of North America, late 1700s conquest of India, etc.

Let's end the myths of Britain's imperial past | Books | The Guardian

 

[WLDB]

Although it is about time we gave up hunting them..............

Once enough time has gone by to guarantee they are all dead I will agree. For things like this there should be no statute of limitations.

 

[lone wolf]

Once enough time has gone by to guarantee they are all dead I will agree. For things like this there should be no statute of limitations.

I think there is a line being crossed when grandchildren of victims are carrying on the hate. If a National Grudge is all a nation has to grow on, it must be a hateful place indeed. That being said, if the accused was in a position to send people in great numbers to their deaths, he should have no escape on Earth.

 

[darkbeaver]

Once enough time has gone by to guarantee they are all dead I will agree. For things like this there should be no statute of limitations.

Time will certainly guarantee they all die but nothing can guarantee the crime they are accused of.

Tales such as these should be recounted to every school child to show them the horrors that the Nazis perpetrated in Europe not long ago.

This morning on Sunday Morning Live on BBC1 there was an elderly lady being interviewed live on webcam who survived the Holocaust. She spent two years at Auschwitz-Birkenau and she said that she saw 10,000 innocent people being killed every DAY. She had a job whilst at Auschwitz (a job that the Nazis forced her to do) - which was to sort out all the belongings of those thousands upon thousands of people who were murdered there.

Complete cremation of executed prisoners in the USA takes 8 full hours. There were two cremation ovens at Auschwitz.

 

[hunboldt]

Start a thread if you hate the Brits so.

Unfortunately, you would just post to it.
The Kresy is on the other side of Europe from Britain, Wallflowers. Geography isn't your strong suit, I see...

 

[Blackleaf]

I don't think the British Empire has a squeaky clean record of dealing with its subjects. In fact I would hazard to say that they should not be pointing fingers at anybody else.

The British can point their fingers at Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was the most evil regime in history, not the British Empire, the most benign empire the world has ever known. I can't ever recall the British Empire systematically and deliberately killing 6 million innocent people because they were considered to be undesirables.

I think it's disgusting to compare the British Empire to a regime as evil as the Nazis.

You have to remember that it was the British Empire which fought and defeated Nazi fascism.

 

[petros]

The British can point their fingers at Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was the most evil regime in history, not the British Empire, I think it's disgusting to compare the British Empire to a regime as evil as the Nazis.

I guess if that's all the history you know...

How did Stalin manage to keep half of Europe? A bingo prize?

 

[lone wolf]

The British can point their fingers at Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was the most evil regime in history, not the British Empire, the most benign empire the world has ever known. I can't ever recall the British Empire systematically and deliberately killing 6 million innocent people because they were considered to be undesirables.

I think it's disgusting to compare the British Empire to a regime as evil as the Nazis.

You have to remember that it was the British Empire which fought and defeated Nazi fascism.

Shoe on the other foot? I wonder what we'd hear if Indians or Chinese or Aboriginals or Rhodesians had been mighty enough to defeat British imperialism? The only real difference between heroes and war criminals (too many times) is who won....

 

[petros]

If they didn't get the Chinese blasted on opium, they would have given them what for.

The British Empire was funded by being dope peddlers.

Now there is something to be proud of.