South Carolina cop kills man over Traffic Stop in the BACK!!

Sal

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Agreed, but a properly designed and executed training regimen will weed out the bad ones as a second line of defense.


Quite the contrary. Police training has been becoming increasingly military in style, even as violent crime has plummeted. They ARE acting as they are trained. Relatively few jurisdictions emphasize de-escalation, negotiation, and non-lethal force. Read Radley Balko.
well that explains people who think they need to be armed for when they come for us...

I thought that was just a Rambo wet dream...sounds like it isn't, and yet they are the very ones who think cops can do no wrong but yet they are armed to the teeth for "when they come for us"

I'm glad I'm old...

going to go google

*sigh*

sometimes ignorance is bliss
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Well, here in Canada that simply is not so.

I have never been a peace officer, but I was trained by cops with a capital "C". I took a course in Toronto on Crisis Management, Law and Use of Force, Handcuffing, Effective Communications, sharp-edged weapons defense, and use of the baton. I was qualified as an instructor to pass these skills on to private security.

I was also, in a completely different setting, trained and qualified as a firearms instructor for private guards (armoured car services)

Our head instructor at the first school mentioned had been an instructor at the OPP Police Academy, and the head instructor at the Toronto Police Academy....he had also been a Toronto street cop for 22 years.

He said something to us that amazed me coming from a police officer: "There is something about police work that attracts exactly the wrong type of person"

He went on to reflect on how difficult it was to weed out the dangerous, the sadistic, the dishonest,. as many would never reveal their tendency in any test........until that test was a situation on the job.

That always stuck with me.
I will take your word for it.

Unfortunately, that's just not the case in the U.S. Cops dismissed from departments for being the wrong type easily find work in other departments, and the training and tactics are increasingly military. As I said, read Radley Balko. He wrote a book, but if you google "Radley Balko police training" you can get lots of free info from him.

There are, of course, exceptions. A few departments emphasize community policing, building relationships, de-escalation of hostilities, and non-lethal force. But the overall trend is to military vehicles, military weapons, and military mindsets. And what's the salient feature of the military mindset? It has an enemy. With that as the operative mode, is it any wonder our cops shoot people left, right, and center?

As I said, I feel sorry for Slager. He acted according to his training, right down to the lying and covering up. Not saying that's in the formal training, but surely you know that after the formal training, you get the "real deal" from your elders on the force.

well that explains people who think they need to be armed for when they come for us...

I thought that was just a Rambo wet dream...sounds like it isn't, and yet they are the very ones who think cops can do no wrong but yet they are armed to the teeth for "when they come for us"

I'm glad I'm old...

going to go google

*sigh*

sometimes ignorance is bliss
Look on the bright side. It's Radley Balko, not John Smith. Can't be that many Radley Balkos on the Web. As I said to Colpy, if you google "radley balko police training," you'll get lots of free info. And Balko backs up his assertions with facts and stats. When he's sure of something, he tells you why. When he's not so sure, he'll identify areas where he's making a leap. He's honest. That's pretty rare in the discussion of crime and punishment.
 

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Never liked the militarization of the police. They seem to love wearing those cammies of all types WAY too much.
 

Sal

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He said something to us that amazed me coming from a police officer: "There is something about police work that attracts exactly the wrong type of person"

He went on to reflect on how difficult it was to weed out the dangerous, the sadistic, the dishonest,. as many would never reveal their tendency in any test........until that test was a situation on the job.

That always stuck with me.
Gavin De Becker wrote The Gift of Fear, he did security work...his theory was cops/criminals...same head space just choose opposite directions...when he would give talks in prison they would say to him...your past is my story...how did I end up here...he said that's why he was good at figuring out stalkers and killers...it could have been him, he just chose go to the opposite path
 

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Allow me to explain. Confessions are evidence, would you agree? Therefore, if the cops have two people in custody and under interrogation, and the separate them, then say (falsely) to Person A "Your partner already confessed," they are, in point of fact, fabricating evidence, are they not? And if that fabricated confession leads Person B to confess, the prosecution is allowed to use the confession of Person B, but not the fabricated confession of Person A, in court, is that not correct?

Ergo, as I said originally, the cops are allowed to fabricate evidence. They are merely forbidden from using the fabricated evidence in court.

Take your time. Think it through.

Confessions aren't evidence though until permitted to be entered into court.
 

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It's time for the people to exercise their rights as they are the true government.

Let's dispense with the trial, drag the fcuker from out of his cell, and BRING ON THE HANGMAN!
 

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It's time for the people to exercise their rights as they are the true government.

Let's dispense with the trial, drag the fcuker from out of his cell, and BRING ON THE HANGMAN!

"That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just authority from the consent of the governed."
--T. Jefferson, Declaration of Independence (1776)

So, at least in the U.S., the people are not the government. They are the source of government, but not the government.

Nice to see a good Minnesota boy advocating lynching, though.
 

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Planting a weapon on an inconveniently dead body is so venerable a tradition in U.S. policing that such weapons have their own name: "throwdown pieces."

This one, however, is improvised. The usual throwdown piece is a small, unregistered, light-caliber handgun, often with the serial number filed off.

Protip for cops: remember, wiping down the gun isn't enough. You also have to wipe down the brass.
 

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It's time for the people to exercise their rights as they are the true government.

Let's dispense with the trial, drag the fcuker from out of his cell, and BRING ON THE HANGMAN!
That's sound very left wing.
 

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Planting a weapon on an inconveniently dead body is so venerable a tradition in U.S. policing that such weapons have their own name: "throwdown pieces."

This one, however, is improvised. The usual throwdown piece is a small, unregistered, light-caliber handgun, often with the serial number filed off.

Protip for cops: remember, wiping down the gun isn't enough. You also have to wipe down the brass.





Wonder why he didn't put the taser in the guys hands to get fingerprints on it?


I suppose he thought that it would be an open and closed case with everyone assuming that the black guy took the taser so no need to check it out.........












 

Tecumsehsbones

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Wonder why he didn't put the taser in the guys hands to get fingerprints on it?


I suppose he thought that it would be an open and closed case with everyone assuming that the black guy took the taser so no need to check it out.........
Probably. Half-assing your alibi is not a good idea. That's how you get caught. Very poor performance.
 

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Planting a weapon on an inconveniently dead body is so venerable a tradition in U.S. policing that such weapons have their own name: "throwdown pieces."

This one, however, is improvised. The usual throwdown piece is a small, unregistered, light-caliber handgun, often with the serial number filed off.

Protip for cops: remember, wiping down the gun isn't enough. You also have to wipe down the brass.
Another "Broad Brush" application by our resident cop hater!
 

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That is totally fukked up.. I hope they investigate all of this officers past arrests and any previous bad behavior.

If he is willing to do this, what other victims are there of this officer???

I wonder if this is his first shooting??

Cudos to the guy taking this video, and lucky he didn't get shot.. 8O

Here is the hero of the day.. Feidin Santana, the guy that filmed this horrific shooting.



LOL :lol:

 

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He said something to us that amazed me coming from a police officer: "There is something about police work that attracts exactly the wrong type of person".

Disturbing yea, but not surprising in the slightest.
 

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Well, here in Canada that simply is not so.

I have never been a peace officer, but I was trained by cops with a capital "C". I took a course in Toronto on Crisis Management, Law and Use of Force, Handcuffing, Effective Communications, sharp-edged weapons defense, and use of the baton. I was qualified as an instructor to pass these skills on to private security.

I was also, in a completely different setting, trained and qualified as a firearms instructor for private guards (armoured car services)

Our head instructor at the first school mentioned had been an instructor at the OPP Police Academy, and the head instructor at the Toronto Police Academy....he had also been a Toronto street cop for 22 years.

He said something to us that amazed me coming from a police officer: "There is something about police work that attracts exactly the wrong type of person"

He went on to reflect on how difficult it was to weed out the dangerous, the sadistic, the dishonest,. as many would never reveal their tendency in any test........until that test was a situation on the job.

That always stuck with me.

That makes me wonder if there is something about being on the job, about the way police services are run, that perhaps will bring that out in an individual. Perhaps too much of an "us vs them" mindset that gets driven in, which I can understand to a certain point, when it comes to the criminal element within society. But there do seem to be some who have the attitude that all members of society are the criminal element. I don't know, I'm just speculating here, but it is the kind of statement that does make you wonder.
 

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"us vs them" mindset

I was told by one cop years ago , that he believed in the 20 ,20s 60 theory.
20% of the people are completely honest
20% of the people are true criminals
60% of the people, it just depends what the circumstances are

I'm starting to believe, cops think that all people are just temporarily unconvicted criminals . and are inferior to anyone who's not in possession of a law enforcement badge.