Socialism works

captain morgan

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...thus driving more of your workforce out of good-paying industry into barely-getting-there call center stuff, minimum-wage burger-flipping gigs or even the welfare rolls - while the rich get richer from overseas investments with off-shore bank accounts.

Capitalism.... Assa life


The cost of your goods and services goes up with higher labour... It's a catch-22, everyone demands lower costs but aren't prepared to live with the fallout from getting what they want
 

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...thus driving more of your workforce out of good-paying industry into barely-getting-there call center stuff, minimum-wage burger-flipping gigs or even the welfare rolls - while the rich get richer from overseas investments with off-shore bank accounts.

Capitalism.... Assa life
Don't like technological advance? You do have the option of living without it. Have fun with that.
 

lone wolf

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The cost of your goods and services goes up with higher labour... It's a catch-22, everyone demands lower costs but aren't prepared to live with the fallout from getting what they want

I'm no union guy by a long shot. I always figured a Union's ultimate goal was to bite the hand that feeds it. When I was hurt on the job, it was in the employ of one of those darlings of business - a contractor - I worked for the Empty Hole (MTO) Union has lost its focus just as much as government has.

Here in Ontario, you can double the damnation when the one advantage we had to attract industry - the 1906 Hydro-Electric Power Commission of Ontario, with its mandate to provide power at cost to the PEOPLE - was deregulated, broken up and piece-mealed out to the for profit sector. You can blame Liberals all you want for what happened next. It's pretty much the same as blaming the cattle for getting into the grainfields when the cowboy left the gate open. Piggies at a trough are piggies at a trough. What investor is going to lose profit to high labour cost and a big hydro bill to boot?
 
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taxslave

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...thus driving more of your workforce out of good-paying industry into barely-getting-there call center stuff, minimum-wage burger-flipping gigs or even the welfare rolls - while the rich get richer from overseas investments with off-shore bank accounts.

Capitalism.... Assa life

Good old fashioned LUddite thinking. Do tell, would you rather do the excavation for a highrise by hand or with an excavator? Cause that is what you are suggesting.
 

whitedog

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I'm no union guy by a long shot. I always figured a Union's ultimate goal was to bite the hand that feeds it. When I was hurt on the job, it was in the employ of one of those darlings of business - a contractor - I worked for the Empty Hole (MTO) Union has lost its focus just as much as government has.

Here in Ontario, you can double the damnation when the one advantage we had to attract industry - the 1906 Hydro-Electric Power Commission of Ontario, with its mandate to provide power at cost to the PEOPLE - was deregulated, broken up and piece-mealed out to the for profit sector. You can blame Liberals all you want for what happened next. It's pretty much the same as blaming the cattle for getting into the grainfields when the cowboy left the gate open. Piggies at a trough are piggies at a trough. What investor is going to lose profit to high labour cost and a big hydro bill to boot?
Mike Harris deregulated the hydro industry, I don't think he was a liberal. None the less, point taken.
 

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Providing a service such as electricity "at cost" isn't necessarily all it is cracked up to be. Aside from generally poor administration lots of times the maintenance/ replacement cost is not added in in an attempt by politicians to look good and all of a sudden ends up as a huge cost to taxpayers and huge jumps in fees. See BC Ferries and BC Hydro as prime examples of how over the years vote buying has pushed up costs and reduced services.
 

whitedog

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Providing a service such as electricity "at cost" isn't necessarily all it is cracked up to be. Aside from generally poor administration lots of times the maintenance/ replacement cost is not added in in an attempt by politicians to look good and all of a sudden ends up as a huge cost to taxpayers and huge jumps in fees. See BC Ferries and BC Hydro as prime examples of how over the years vote buying has pushed up costs and reduced services.
A good case in point was the ice storm in Ontario/Quebec when all the hydro towers in quebec fell. They never put a dime into their maintenance. No doubt for the same reason, to make it look like it was being efficiently managed.
 

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Socialism will never work because of human nature.

Humans, in general will only work and produce until they achieve survival of their being.
Humans in general will only be as carefully as needed for them to achieve survival.

By removing all difficulty in a humans life, you are taking his purpose.
Everything we do is naturally hardwired to our natural disposition of survival.

By removing all difficulty in a humans life, you are also removing his number one drive to be skilled and proficient.

Make life to easy, the end result is a bunch of degenerate useless t i t s.

In the end anything can work as long as you have many people working hard to make it work.
Like M.Ps
 

lone wolf

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Good old fashioned LUddite thinking. Do tell, would you rather do the excavation for a highrise by hand or with an excavator? Cause that is what you are suggesting.

:roll: Whatever makes you comfortable... :roll:

Mike Harris deregulated the hydro industry, I don't think he was a liberal. None the less, point taken.

It pretty much started with a McGuimty halt to Eves brakes on the new Hydro profit machine. See... There pretty much is no conscience in business ethics. Not a lot "social" about it...;-)
 

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Yeah, the boy amazed me! For Socialism to work everyone has to do his share plus a little more.:)
I get a flash in the pan once or twice a year
If you're willing to put up with me the rest of the time.
 

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I suppose if a person was somewhat open minded they could find positives and negatives in most political ideologies. I've always thought that the definition of socialism was governmental control of the distribution of goods and services. I guess this control suggests the need for supervision of society for the benefit of all. I have no opinion on the matter because in this world, who the hell knows what will or will not work. I just want happiness for my kids and grand children .