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captain morgan

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Fire protection should be a for-profit enterprise. If you buy the protection, you get protected. If not, not.

That's freedom.

Fire insurance?

FYI - the fire fighting services in any district are essentially for profit, only difference being it is the district that takes the cash and allocates it in full rather than the private sector.. Just 'cause there is no fat bank account doesn't mean that the services are not a result of a capitalist ideal
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Fire insurance?

FYI - the fire fighting services in any district are essentially for profit, only difference being it is the district that takes the cash and allocates it in full rather than the private sector.. Just 'cause there is no fat bank account doesn't mean that the services are not a result of a capitalist ideal
Well, it's true that the capitalist ideal is to use the state to involuntarily take money from people by force (that's called "robbery"), and give it to the state's favoured "service provider." I'm just a little surprised you're admitting it.
 

captain morgan

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Well, it's true that the capitalist ideal is to use the state to involuntarily take money from people by force (that's called "robbery"), and give it to the state's favoured "service provider." I'm just a little surprised you're admitting it.


Surprised?

That is the result of socialists wh*ring the capitalist position.

How often do you hear capitalists demanding more taxes or coining phrases like 99%er?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Surprised?

That is the result of socialists wh*ring the capitalist position.

How often do you hear capitalists demanding more taxes or coining phrases like 99%er?
Rarely. The uber-capitalists prefer to do their thing behind closed doors. Legislators, executives, and contracting officers. That's who the uber-capitalists are talking to.
 

taxslave

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Socialism doesn't mean "anything the state does". Fire departments aren't really socialism. Maybe fire fighters unions are. But if you capitalists want to be so cruel that you're willing to say not letting people die in a fire is socialism, then we can let you have that. I guess it does have a level of socialism to it. Sure fine, capitalism is about letting people die in fires. Cool.

QUite a stretch. Actually all government supplied services are a form of socialism. Those with the most expensive properties pay most of the taxes while those in the cheap seats pay very little taxes but all are entitled to the same service.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Just so I am clear... The uber-capitalists ask for things like higher taxes in private, outside the public eye?
Generally no. They just want more of the money flow going through their hands (where they get to divert a good chunk of it), and the legislative landscape to favour their acquisition and retention of money above all else.
 

lone wolf

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Capitalism, not socialism, drives us to be more efficient
Machines boost workers productivity.

And that's why capitalism works. It is based on a very strong human natural behavior.

Our drive to win.

What system is going to be more productive?
The system based on our drive to win?
Or
The system based on no matter what you do will take care of you?
I'd prefer a system that cares - especially if you're working in a system where there is risk of injury and losing that ability to work. If you're going expose yourself to the potential for accident, you are better off being killed on the job because capitalistic greed will make you wish you had been in dealing with them later. When I go, I want to take at least one of the bas*ards out with me.

Thank a capitalist....
 

EagleSmack

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Fire protection should be a for-profit enterprise. If you buy the protection, you get protected. If not, not.

That's freedom.

Isn't that true in some communities? I think we had a thread showing an example of someones house going up in flames as they didn't pay for the fire service.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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That part I get... It's the higher tax element that I am confused about
They're perfectly good with higher taxes, as long as they aren't paying them. Who wouldn't be? The more money that's flowing from the government through the ubers' hands, the more they can make without the tedium of producing products and services people will voluntarily buy.
 

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All taxation is theft. All law is coercion. Public education, roads, immunization programmes, the military, Parliament, the courts, the police, border control. . . all violations of personal freedom, funded by robbery.
You are so right. Down with it all. A pox on all their houses!
 

Tecumsehsbones

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You are so right. Down with it all. A pox on all their houses!

As long as it's a private pox. If it's a government pox, it'll cost 100 times what it's worth, and won't even make 'em sneeze.

Gotcha

Note to self: Call up T Bones next time I need to organize a LLC
Bingo. I spent a lot of years on this work, Cap. Nobody wants "capitalism," least of all the capitalists. They want money.
 

Patg

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QUite a stretch. Actually all government supplied services are a form of socialism. Those with the most expensive properties pay most of the taxes while those in the cheap seats pay very little taxes but all are entitled to the same service.
Bad example...apartment dwellers in Toronto pay MORE per square foot in property taxes than owners.. so who is subsidizing who?
 

Corduroy

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QUite a stretch. Actually all government supplied services are a form of socialism. Those with the most expensive properties pay most of the taxes while those in the cheap seats pay very little taxes but all are entitled to the same service.

That's what I'm saying. I'm willing to give capitalists some credit and deny that fire departments are socialism. But apparently people like you seem to be insisting on it. So yes, OK capitalism, you've convinced me. You want the poor to die in fires.