Shut Up about Iran

Socrates the Greek

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It is unfortunate, in the quest for PEACE blood must spill. Humanity has not learned how to communicate with one another when it comes to examples like Iran.
In the 21st Century, politics and religion are perpendicular. The theocratic dictator misfits, should be totally taken out of the function of government, they preach theology as a guide to a divine existence, while they will kill anyone opposing their SICK DEMENTED ILL INFORMED VIEWS.
Religion and politics is the worst marriage between people.
The theocratic SAINTS IN WAITING IN IRAN ARE TYRANTS, NOT GODLY PEOPLE.
 

Kreskin

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Shutting up about Iran is what the religious tyrants want. Most Iranians likely want a better economy and less religious oppression. But they are still religious and many young people aren't. We support the young people, but only so far because Iran is far different from Canada or any Western country. Let's give them an opportunity but within reasonable limits.
What did speaking out do for any Iranian political cause over all these years? Their political structure is imploding right now. Looks to me like the new shut-up approach beats the old by a long shot.

Plus, what will we get if the overturn the election? A leader who was part of the 1979 revolution and one who supports their nuclear ambitions. Doesn't seem like much will change. The clerics are the big issue. They would love nothing more than to paint this into a US vs Iran issue. Why give them that opportunity when they're doing such a good job of screwing it up themselves?
 

petros

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Low Earth Orbit
Half a mile from the county fair
And the rain keep pourin down
Me and billy standin there
With a silver half a crown
Hands are full of a fishin rod
And the tackle on our backs
We just stood there gettin wet
With our backs against the fence

Oh, the water
Oh, the water
Oh, the water
Hope it dont rain all day


And it stoned me to my soul
Stoned me just like a jelly roll


And it stoned me
And it stoned me to my soul
Stoned me just like goin home
And it stoned me
 

Kreskin

Doctor of Thinkology
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Cute too.

 

mit

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The speech that Barrack Obama needs to say.

As the democratically elected representative of the United States of America I would like to express my disappointment with the recent turn of events in Iran. As we have witnessed in our country elections are scrutinized more by the losers than the winners. That is the problem with elections - one wins - one loses. Being on the winning side I can share the frustrations of the current government of Iran in dealing with opposition. We in America have an effective resistance movement that can bog down any effort to go forward with delays and pork barrel projects. It is called the Senate. This resistance by a bunch of over fed, over the hill, self interested and duly elected represtatives of the people does not make news like a civil disobedience event but it is just as effective in creating apathy amongst the electorate. The USA has some big issues it must tackle right now and though it pains me to watch the demonstrations in Iran we have learned our lesson in your neighbouring countries that internal conflicts in a country need to be sorted out internally and the international community should be there to offer humantitarian aid not military action. Let me be clear, we believe that democracy is the basic DNA of any forward thinking country. We in the USA have dealt with civil war and the scars still run deep over a century later. We are far from perfect but we have nuclear,economic and climatic concerns gathering forces just over the horizon and we can see the dust being kicked up by the hooves of their horses. This is our chosen battle and we can not afford to turn our backs to these apocolyptic forces. We believe that the developed nations of the world have to join together to fix the economic and climatic conditions that afront us now - However we believe that there are far too many states that already have the evil power of nuclear weaponry and being a person with the power to obliterate all life on earth we pray every day that it is never used. We will use our economic and military might if required to ensure that this weaponry is never used and take every effort to ensure that it's proliferation is stopped.
We support the efforts of people in creating democractically elected governments within their borders. We believe in it so profoundly that we have witnessed the blood of Americans spilled on battlefields far from our borders. Our brave soldiers have fought in jungles and fields, in cities and deserts so that others could enjoy the freedom of expression and assembly that we profess.
We the USA now look for a better way. We see opportunity for Iran to not only settle their internal conflicts in a peaceful fashion but as an ally in the efforts of the Middle East to find peace amongsts it's neighbours. Nuclear weapons are not the answer, religion should be used to find peace not to rally insurgent forces, borders between countries need to be respected but not closed to new ideas or economic opportunities. No country can survive in isolation. Having a big stick like a nuclear weapon does not make your neighbour feel safer only wary of your goals. China and Russia have found that having a robust economy is a worthy goal and the USA has learned some painful lessons from it's appointed role as the Global Police Force. We in the USA will be focusing more on how we can use our economic might to help citizens ofthe world and our own economy. This global recession is a wake-up call to all nations on this planet to beat their swords in to plow shares, to become more self-sufficient and interdependant, to realize that you can no more beat religion in to the minds of the populace then you can beat democracy in to their hearts. We are stuck together on this glorious blue orb in our universe and there is no one that is going to come and save us from ourselves. We as the inhabitants of Earth share one thing in common, we are humans, we make mistakes, whether by intelligent design or evolutionary happenstance we are in it together. We ask that the government of Iran and all nations join in our quest for peace and prosperity and I pledge that our nation, The United States of America will be the example that all nations will aspire towards. A people united under God in the search for Life, Liberty and Happiness.
Peace and may your God go with you!
 

EagleSmack

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You aren't very bright are you? It's your Constitution. If you don't know it or understand it then you''ve got some serious problems.

A lot brighter than you. You do not understand it. Where in the US Constitution does it say that US troops cannot be called on to put down civil unrest and help in the event of a national emergency. That is one of the main reasons for the National Guard.

Troops have always been called on to assist in these moments, from filling sand bags, delivering supplies to assisting law enforcemnt to put down riots like the LA Riots and to assisting African American children to go to school during the Civil Rights movement era in the south.

Well within the Constitutional boundaries.
 

EagleSmack

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What did speaking out do for any Iranian political cause over all these years? Their political structure is imploding right now. Looks to me like the new shut-up approach beats the old by a long shot.

Plus, what will we get if the overturn the election? A leader who was part of the 1979 revolution and one who supports their nuclear ambitions. Doesn't seem like much will change. The clerics are the big issue. They would love nothing more than to paint this into a US vs Iran issue. Why give them that opportunity when they're doing such a good job of screwing it up themselves?

Exactly. The Revolutionary Council is hoping for Obama to come out in direct support, even vocally, to the current unrest.

All they need to have is an Obama speech supporting the unrest and they have what they need. It becomes a US supported protest vs. Iran. US vs Iran. The clerics are already trying to accuse the US and the West for starting this but their statements are just that now because Obama hasn't said anything.

Obama is doing the right thing in this case.
 

TenPenny

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Location, Location
Half a mile from the county fair
And the rain keep pourin down
Me and billy standin there
With a silver half a crown
Hands are full of a fishin rod
And the tackle on our backs
We just stood there gettin wet
With our backs against the fence

Oh, the water
Oh, the water
Oh, the water
Hope it dont rain all day


And it stoned me to my soul
Stoned me just like a jelly roll


And it stoned me
And it stoned me to my soul
Stoned me just like goin home
And it stoned me

That's funny. When I was in university, my roomate wanted me to vacate our room for the night, as he was bringing a girl over. He asked me what music he should play on my stereo. I pulled out that album, and said, 'You can't go wrong with Van the Man.'

The next day he thanked me.
 

Ron in Regina

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Obama hasn't spoken out on this situation in Iran, so it sounds like the
current ruling powers in Iran have had to find someone else to blame
for the current civil disobedience....and the finger is being pointed
at Britain instead of America this time around.
 

EagleSmack

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Obama hasn't spoken out on this situation in Iran, so it sounds like the
current ruling powers in Iran have had to find someone else to blame
for the current civil disobedience....and the finger is being pointed
at Britain instead of America this time around.

Right because the Brits said there were irregularities...that is all the Iranian govt. needed. Not as good as the US saying something but any port in a storm.
 
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Socrates the Greek

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It is time for religion to get the f out of politics. Only then, the people of Iran will be free.
Religion has nothing to do with politics, and the theocratic mean demented idiots who think they are Gods send to this planet must be send to exile.
All they are, a bunch of lazy losers who hide behind religion and show no material progress for the country. Iran’s youth will eventually be free from these demented fs.
 

earth_as_one

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If you want clear objective information about any country, I suggest starting with Amnesty International. They don't portray Iran as a free and just society.

Amnesty International 2009 Annual Report: Iran
Iran | Amnesty International Report 2009

No doubt this country has many unhappy people who want change. If they can't change the system by peaceful means they will go underground.

To put Iran's demonstrations and their government's reaction in perspective, Iran's rulers face a threat to their authority. Their reaction is typical or even restrained in comparison to most countries. Most middle east countries would have reacted far worse.

Its hard to say if these elections were fraudulent or not. Millions of Iranians appear to have that perception. Iran's authorities should either conduct a recount or better hold a run off election between the top two candidates and invite international observers as witnesses. Either of these solutions would conclusively resolve this issue.

Regarding Iran's claims that outside forces are trying to destabilize Iran. Those claims are provably true. Several western nations including the US have been trying to destabilize Iran for years:
Annals of National Security: Preparing the Battlefield: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

Evidence exists which support's Iran's claims of outside interference:
YouTube - How Western media backs green revolution in Iran

This opinion piece asks some questions about all the supposed online activity coming out of Iran:
Proof: Israeli Effort to Destabilize Iran Via Twitter | Charting Stocks

Personally I believe the demonstrations are real and that millions of Iranians have a percerption of election fraud. I also believe that outside interests are actively taking advantage of the situation in the hopes of destabilizing Iran.

I'm not 100% convinced that Ahmadinejad supporters rigged this election. Polls taken before the election gave him exactly the same margin of victory as the election:

Ahmadinejad is who Iranians want | Ken Ballen and Patrick Doherty | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Its possible the elections were rigged. Its possible they weren't.

Likely a certain element of this story is the deliberate attempt by anti-Iranian forces to destabilize and demonize Iran.

I recommend being skeptical of all claims made by the news regarding this topic.
 
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earth_as_one

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It is time for religion to get the f out of politics. Only then, the people of Iran will be free.
Religion has nothing to do with politics, and the theocratic mean demented idiots who think they are Gods send to this planet must be send to exile.
All they are, a bunch of lazy losers who hide behind religion and show no material progress for the country. Iran’s youth will eventually be free from these demented fs.

Religion had no part in Iraqi politics, yet I'll bet you were in favor of liberating the Iraqis too. Since the 2003 Operation Iraq Liberation (OIL), more than a million Iraqis died and about 5 million or 1/6 of their population were displaced.

Personally I'm amazed that so many people still believe our news media without question.

The case that Iran's election was rigged is not proven or supported by any irrefutable evidence. All we have are videos of demonstrations, statements by the losers and a lot of media hype.

I'm not saying that these elections were free and fair. I'm saying I don't know either way and neither does anyone else outside of Iran.