Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?

[Dexter Sinister]

Denial without an argument to back it is the sigh of someone who cannot think well enough to formulate one.

Yeah, well, I guess you would know, assuming you meant sign, not sigh. Obviously you haven't been around here much in any threads but your own, or you'd know better than to say that to me. I wasn't offering an argument, I merely pointed out that the way you phrased your argument turned it into the opposite of what you thought it was. You're not arguing no taxation without representation, you're arguing no representation without taxation. And you don't seem to know that, which means you're not worth discussing it with.

 

[French Patriot]

curious as to why you are paraphrasing an american moto.

Because the Canadian education system teaches more American history than Canadian history.
That motto represents what things were like in many nations in the past and makes sense.

Only a small mind would care.

Regards
DL

Tax pain.... Nothin' we can do about that

Spoken like one with a true slave mentality.

Regards
DL

And has no concept of taxation.



Then quickly moves into further ignorance territory with an added dollop of rude on the side.

It's a ridiculous question, the answer is no. Citizenship is and should always be the only requirement for voting.

The current system seems toallow for some fairly obvious abuse. For example, some politicians attempted tobuy votes by expanding the welfare state massively - inventing new ways ofbuying voters' loyalty with tax credits and other hidden taxpayer’s money. Itnearly works. In fact left wing governments in the UK have a track record ofspending vast amounts of money on welfare and ending up in financial trouble.It's an easy vote winner because there are a lot more poor and middle class peoplethan there are rich people.

Maybe those who get benefitsshould be excluded from voting because they are only voting for your money andnegating your vote. If you happen to be a taxpayer.

My basic view is what the lawof the land in many countries in the past was; no taxation withoutrepresentation. In effect that says that if you do not pay taxes or are ataxtaker you have not earned representation through a vote. IOW, if you do not pay for representation,you do not get it.

The logic is clear.Government is a service and services are never free. The logic is thus sound.

Payment can be made invarious ways so do not think I am going after the poor. In the case of Vets,representation can be earned by serving to protect the country. Those whosometimes pay taxes and at other times take taxes would have to be looked atonce a standard is set. If a person pays 15 years out of 20 for instance, hewould vote. Someone who only paid 5 years out of 20 and was on the dole orpublic purse for 15 may not get a vote.

The point is that when moreand more fall into the poor categories, their vote can and is bought by theunscrupulous politicians who are elected by promises of a raise in welfarechecks.

The rich are getting richerand the poor better off and the middle is squeezed by both side and anyelection basically becomes a war against the middle thanks to the fact thatpoliticians are owned by the rich.

This is unjust andunsustainable and must end.

Put forward your argument against --- mental midget --- and let's see who knows what about taxation.
You made a claim now put your money where your mouth is with an argument against. If you know how to.
Regards
DL

What kind of tax payer? Sales tax? Road tax? Tire tax? Eco tax? Federal tax?prof tax?

Let me repeat this from the longer post just above.

Tax is a payment but do notfixate just on that. Payment can be made invarious ways so do not think I am going after the poor. In the case of Vets,representation can be earned by serving to protect the country. Those whosometimes pay taxes and at other times take taxes would have to be looked atonce a standard is set. If a person pays 15 years out of 20 for instance, hewould vote. Someone who only paid 5 years out of 20 and was on the dole orpublic purse for 15 may not get a vote.

Regards
DL

 

[French Patriot]

Well, we have 43 posts in response to an O.P. where the answer is an unadulterated NO.

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You point to why it shames me to come here and see how stupid so many of my fellow citizens are.

The current system seems toallow for some fairly obvious abuse. For example, some politicians attempt tobuy votes by expanding the welfare state massively - inventing new ways ofbuying voters' loyalty with tax credits and other hidden taxpayer’s money. Itnearly works. In fact left wing governments in the UK have a track record ofspending vast amounts of money on welfare and ending up in financial trouble.It's an easy vote winner because there are a lot more poor and middle class peoplethan there are rich people.

Maybe those who get benefitsshould be excluded from voting because they are only voting for your money andnegating your vote. If you happen to be a taxpayer.

Right come with responsibilities my friend and we are responsible for maintaining a sane governance and we have not.
Unless you think it moral and right to put your debt onto the backs of your children because you let the poor negate your vote that might put you on the right moral road.

George Carlin ~ The American Dream - YouTube

Wake the **** up Canada.

Regards
DL

 

[DaSleeper]

Man you sure like to copy and paste your shyte in a lot of forums
Google

Typical sign of a Troll.......?

Google

 

[JLM]

You point to why it shames me to come here and see how stupid so many of my fellow citizens are.

The current system seems toallow for some fairly obvious abuse. For example, some politicians attempt tobuy votes by expanding the welfare state massively - inventing new ways ofbuying voters' loyalty with tax credits and other hidden taxpayer’s money.
George Carlin ~ The American Dream - YouTube

Wake the **** up Canada.

Regards
DL

So the answer (according to you) is to discriminate against the poor as far as birth rights are concerned. I thought even the stupidest people realized by now that stomping on people just doesn't work. Apparently not!

 

[French Patriot]

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So the answer (according to you) is to discriminate against the poor as far as birth rights are concerned. I thought even the stupidest people realized by now that stomping on people just doesn't work. Apparently not!

I stomp on no one. I give credit and political power where it is due. The taxpayer and not the taxtaker.

If we are equal then the taxpayer should be able to put his hand in the pocket of the taxtaker.

Regards
DL

 

[taxslave]

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I stomp on no one. I give credit and political power where it is due. The taxpayer and not the taxtaker.

If we are equal then the taxpayer should be able to put his hand in the pocket of the taxtaker.

Regards
DL

You still have'nt given us an example of a person that pays no taxes.

 

[JLM]

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I stomp on no one. I give credit and political power where it is due. The taxpayer and not the taxtaker.

If we are equal then the taxpayer should be able to put his hand in the pocket of the taxtaker.

Regards
DL

Maybe when the day comes that you need help, the people at the soup kitchen will tell you to kindly F**K off!

 

[taxslave]

Maybe when the day comes that you need help, the people at the soup kitchen will tell you to kindly F**K off!

Wonder what FP is reaching for with his hand in someone else's pocket?

 

[French Patriot]

You still have'nt given us an example of a person that pays no taxes.

Only the blind would not see them.

My link won't show here for some reason but Google American's broken dreams and have a look.

The same is happening in Canada.


Regards
DL

 

[JLM]

Only the blind would not see them.

Regards
DL

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A guy who buys a pack of gum pays taxes.

 

[lone wolf]

Only the blind would not see them.

We can only guess what's on your mind - especially with all the flip-flopping and clear-like-mud statements. I'd like to see you develop balls enough to say what you mean and dump the Romper Room guessing game

 

[JLM]

We can only guess what's on your mind - especially with all the flip-flopping and clear-like-mud statements. I'd like to see you develop balls enough to say what you mean and dump the Romper Room guessing game

I think he and Teddy should form a club!

 

[Machjo]

Should only taxpayers beallowed to vote?

When Socrates and his friendswere talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms,that means, ---- taxpayer. The core ofdemocracy.

There are two types ofcitizens. The taxpayer and the taxtaker.

Once the taxpayer hands overhis wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

This is counter to thetaxpayer’s wishes.

Why do taxpayers allow thissituation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

If taxtakers had done a goodjob with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

Should those who pay the wayof our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

Since the right to do so istied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

Regards
DL

Would you support then that the vote of each taxpayer be valued based on the percentage of revenue he pays?

 

[petros]

What a stupid thread.

 

[JLM]

What a stupid thread.

Something like a book being as stupid as it's author? -

 

[Machjo]

Now now, be nice.

 

[French Patriot]

Would you support then that the vote of each taxpayer be valued based on the percentage of revenue he pays?
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Yes. I see the government asjust another corporation.

In our oligarchy the rich actually do have more votes now as they control the media but I think they should be allowed to have that vote openly and stop manipulating the media.

If I only put in 10 grand a year and someone else puts in 10 million, he should have more say than I do. I should not mind either as I do not mind following someone who has obviously been more successful than I and he should lead the way for me. I do not mind following success.

Regards
DL

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Remember when H&E taxes went to H&E or road taxes on gasoline that went to roads etc etc etc?

A very long time ago. Now our roads have potholes yet the gas taxes keep rolling in.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yes. I see the government asjust another corporation.

In our oligarchy the rich actually do have more votes now as they control the media but I think they should be allowed to have that vote openly and stop manipulating the media.

If I only put in 10 grand a year and someone else puts in 10 million, he should have more say than I do. I should not mind either as I do not mind following someone who has obviously been more successful than I and he should lead the way for me. I do not mind following success.

Regards
DL

Ah, just another sheeple, blindly following the gold instead of using what gold he has to help him work towards his OWN happiness.
I don't follow rich people and I bet I am a lot more successful in the general sense than a lot of them are. Doesn't take much really: just have to set your sights on what "success" means to you and go for it. If the tools that rich people use will work for you, then have at it. Mine is simply to use gold and other tools to free us as much as possible from the foolish influences of gov'ts, consumerism, and greed. We aren't rich but we have done pretty well at reaching our goals. No big, fancy yacht that gets used 3 or 4 times a year, just a little 14' fishing boat that gets used dozens of times a year.