Abortion is considered a medial service under Canada Health Act. I am not sure coverage for abortion could be dropped without amending the Canada Health act. I would be strongly opposed to any such amendment, and I suspect so will many Canadians.
Should Canadian tax payers be funding abortion?
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Abortion is considered a medial service under Canada Health Act. I am not sure coverage for abortion could be dropped without amending the Canada Health act. I would be strongly opposed to any such amendment, and I suspect so will many Canadians.
That is not my position, YJ. My position is that death penalty is always wrong (of course, it involves killing a human being), while with abortion, it depends upon the woman. It is for the woman to decide if abortion is right or wrong in a particular case, and not for the church or for the government to decide.
lol.Petitions do nothing.... I made a petition against petitions one time and there's still petitions.
I don't think it is quite as simple as that and as such, deserves a more than simple black&white solution. But at least you've thought about this and can forward a rational argument.
About 90% are for social reasons, as I pointed out earlier. IMO, that is unacceptable.
It's the usual, Mr. Wolf: he simply wants to continue to religiously subject us to his propaganda and personal set of "morals"; "applism" I think he calls it. IOW, babbling to hear himself speak.
I don't think it is quite as simple as that and as such, deserves a more than simple black&white solution. But at least you've thought about this and can forward a rational argument.
But the problem is that if you attempt to make it more complicated then that, then you open the door towards not only a fetus getting equal rights as the host mother, but also picking and choosing which rights over-rule another's in which situations.... in either case, you end up denying the given human rights of one or the other. Regardless if you feel a host mother should accept responsibility, regardless of how many statistics show how or what decisions were made in each abortion case..... the decision of abortion is not for you or I to decide, or else you once again infringe on someone else's own given human rights.
Back tracking a bit, in regards to picking and choosing who's human rights trump another's (Fetus/Host Mother's) you no longer have basic human rights for all without excuse.... you have basic human rights for all.... Except if this or that occurs, which then you have your rights waived.
Your rights can be over ruled by another's rights, which isn't supposed to happen.... but if and when it does happen, you open an even bigger can of worms on other situations where people start to feel their rights are more important then another's.
Afterall, a fetus's so-called "Rights" must over rule the host mother's rights.... otherwise, what's the point of giving a fetus rights to begin with if they are over ruled by the host mothers?
You can't have it both ways and make everybody happy..... either one groups' rights are trumped, or another groups' (Fetus or Mothers)
Since the host mother & father are supposed to be the potential parents and any and all medical decisions (among many other things) for any of their children are almost always decided by the parents (since minors are not capable of making a legally informed decision and fetus's would be even less capable) the decision for abortion would also fall in the hands of the parents.
Terminally ill children, be that new borns, toddlers or whatever, usually have their lives in the hands of the doctors and their parents to determine if the plug is pulled or if they keep fighting to keep them alive...... they rarely ever get the final say in these matters and in some cases, having their say makes little difference in the outcome anyways.
Some kids will say they want to end it and don't want to suffer anymore, yet their parents decide otherwise (as do the doctors) ~ Meanwhile you'll have other kids kick and scream that they want to live and for everything to be done to save them, yet there is nothing more that can be done.
If anybody believes a fetus can make similar decisions, can even communicate in any form whatsoever, or even understand that they exist and can cease to exist, are imo, basing these views on subjective emotional attachments to the situation and are seeking a solution (giving them human rights) that will never solve any of the existing problems in the first place and will only create more.
My answer and position isn't as black & white or as simple as you may once thought..... I just didn't want to get into a long winded elaboration on my position unless it was needed.
You are just repeating yourself. I know it is considered a "medical service". As I see it, it is a very expensive, badly abused, service. Lots of women have had two or three abortions. Do they think doctors pay for the privilege of doing them?
There's all sorts of other medical services that I feel are complete wastes of resources too, many I feel are being abused..... some services I may never use in my life. But I don't start suggesting them all to be scrapped simply because I don't approve of them or may never use them.
That's the thing about Universal Health Care.... there's always going to be one or two things someone's going to be angry about that's covered that they don't believe should be covered.
I personally don't approve of women having abortions as a means of birth control, but that's a personal and moral opinion.... I can not force any means of restriction on anybody towards what is or isn't done to their own bodies, or I begin to infringe on other's basic humans rights, which I wouldn't want done to me.
If people want real change on abortion.... lead by example, educate your own children, educate those around you.
Education is power.... removing the right for one to choose just shows one doesn't feel their fellow human is capable of making mature decisions compared to themselves...... but others could say the same thing about yourself or those you feel are making the right decisions.
It's all very subjective, which is why I feel the decision on having an abortion or not, no matter the reasons, should be left up to those it directly relates to, ie: the father and mother, but the mother holds final say.
But, you still have the problem about feeling ok with killing fetuses for stupid reasons like forgetting to use a condom or vaginal gel or something.
That can be mitigated by using reason concerning stage of development, right? A mother is well-developed whereas a blastocyte/embryo/fetus isn't.
That's why it should be ruled on purely for rational reasons rather than introducing morality into the mix to cloud the issues. Everyone has different morals.
Then go that way ALL the way and leave it to the parents alone along with the bill for the procedure.
Yup. And the medical reason is the only reason I think gov't should pay for abortions. Having gov't (the collective "us") pay for abortions because some pair of dolts forgot to rubber up, is inane. But then, I think our having to pay for some dolt's medical issues resulting from overdosing on fatty foods and smoking and stuff is nuts, too.
lol Are you shy or something? ;-)Some kids will say they want to end it and don't want to suffer anymore, yet their parents decide otherwise (as do the doctors) ~ Meanwhile you'll have other kids kick and scream that they want to live and for everything to be done to save them, yet there is nothing more that can be done.
If anybody believes a fetus can make similar decisions, can even communicate in any form whatsoever, or even understand that they exist and can cease to exist, are imo, basing these views on subjective emotional attachments to the situation and are seeking a solution (giving them human rights) that will never solve any of the existing problems in the first place and will only create more.
My answer and position isn't as black & white or as simple as you may once thought..... I just didn't want to get into a long winded elaboration on my position unless it was needed.
But there is more to it than just morals and opinions. It is simply wasteful to spend about $800 (average) on an abortion because the morons didn't think of spending a few cents on a contraceptive.
That's fine, then let them fund their own. If I have to pay, I want a say.
Exactly. If we're going to fund abortion because of a social reason (forgetting to rubber up), we might as well fund cosmetic stuff, too.
Anna, it's never ever ever that cut and dried. People are human. We make mistakes. One of the best things about us is we keep evolving and finding ways to remedy the idiocy we initiate. When we all stop making mistakes, we can all stop pointing and blaming.
As far as having a say if your tax dollars are used to fund a procedure... we don't get to have a say in whether or not somebody has heart surgery or treatment for diabetes or mental health services... this should be no different.
Right as usual Anna, it's a common thread through out the decay of society- everybody wants to have fun, nobody wants to pay for it.................:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Treatment for diabetes or heart problems are different than treatment for aborting because of social reasons, it isn't frivolous. One doesn't get diabetes because they forgot to wear an IUD or a condom. Same with heart procedures or car accidents.
I want a nose job and everyone else should pay.
I feel the same about kids installing 4kW stereos in their cars and then going deaf by 25 as opposed to going deaf over a genetic reason or by accident. It's a choice.
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