Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Should Canada Become

Do you really think that carrying a gun that is more likely to kill a family member than an intruder makes you free, Nascar James? It sounds to me like you are imprisoned by paranoia.

 

[jimmoyer]

Oh no. Both circuses are in town?

The anti-gun control circus AND the gun-control circus?

You think these two circuses are 180 degrees apart?

I gotta use the analogy again.

They're not 180 degrees apart, they're conjunct, like an eclipse shedding no light upon the subject.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Should Canada Become

Do you really think that carrying a gun that is more likely to kill a family member than an intruder makes you free, Nascar James? It sounds to me like you are imprisoned by paranoia.

I teach my kids about gun safety (at the shooting range) when they are really young to avoid any mishaps. Lots of folks here do as well. There is no risk of any gun mishap in my family, I can guarantee you that.

One thing is for certain, if there is ever a home invasion or burglary in my home while I (or any familty member) is home, the intruder(s) will be in for a rude awakening!

In Montreal, if I were to protect my family and fire at an armed intruder burglarizing my home, I would get arrested. What kind of justice is that??? It is a big joke!

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Should Canada Become

Imprisoned by your own paranoia...just as suspected.

 

[jimmoyer]

Nascar_james ?
You're doing the right thing, teaching your kids how to use those guns, how to teach them maturity about guns and it is honorable to protect your family.

The anti-gunners don't believe you are stable, but you are. They disrespect you.

For several reasons.
They know this truth that availability of a gun is a chance for an accident, a chance for somebody to act stupid, a chance for someone in the heat of anger to do a regretful act and they know that owning guns certainly won't stop the authoritarian government from taking over every aspect of your life for your own good and for the good of the many.

That's why I say both the anti-gunners and the gunners are the two circuses in town and neither of them shed light or understanding on the matter.

Both are righteous. Both are wrong.

This issue is exacerbated by the real culprit who will steal both the liberal left's treasured liberties and the conservative right's treasured liberties and that culprit is the zeitgeist inherent in urban areas.

The real culprit is urban, not rural.

The real fault line on loss of liberty goes along urban and rural boundaries. A way of thinking and a way of living is inherent to both.

Perhaps urbanity is our coming insanity.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

In Montreal, if I were to protect my family and fire at an armed intruder burglarizing my home, I would get arrested.

and the problem is???

CA does not put as much emphasis on 'guns" as the US does. Amazing that every toddler in the US does not own a gun now.

But living in a dangerous, paranoid society can do that to people. Seems all those guns around......little wonder many are afraid of their own shadow.

There are more constructive ways of protecting ones home /property etc.

 

[choppie]

no

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Isn't that part of the problem, only the Tories have a plan for the Cdn military, and they want to be much more closely associated with the USA. While most Cdns don't want any kind of military buildup at all. Which is the attitude in Ottawa, the military procurment process under Libs and Tory gov'ts has always been one big porkbarreling exercise. So we have zero icebreakers for example, less than Finland.

Right now, I do not think BC has one military base on the coast, and we need a few more in the north. The expense is huge, like the territory.

 

[no1important]

RE: Should Canada Become

Right now, I do not think BC has one military base on the coast

Just CFB Comox (air force) and CFB Esquimalt (Navy).

No Army bases in Province at all. They closed CFB Chilliwack a few years back, at the same time they closed the one in Calgary and moved it all to Edmonton.

 

[nelk]

You asked !

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Should Canada Become

Do you really think that carrying a gun that is more likely to kill a family member than an intruder makes you free, Nascar James? It sounds to me like you are imprisoned by paranoia.

I teach my kids about gun safety (at the shooting range) when they are really young to avoid any mishaps. Lots of folks here do as well. There is no risk of any gun mishap in my family, I can guarantee you that.

One thing is for certain, if there is ever a home invasion or burglary in my home while I (or any familty member) is home, the intruder(s) will be in for a rude awakening!

In Montreal, if I were to protect my family and fire at an armed intruder burglarizing my home, I would get arrested. What kind of justice is that??? It is a big joke!

Nascar, I agree with the comments about teaching your kids. Teaching how to use a gun, and showing the results of it, if you are shooting vermin, goes a long way towards getting a healthy respect for firearms. The gun control group would have you believe that everyone with a gun is the next serial killer, which is so totally stupid it does not warrant comment. The only thing our crazy and expensive gun control law has done is create criminals out of farmers with .22's for shooting gophers, or larger calibre for larger vermin. I guess they really expect the criminals with illegal guns to go and register them to make them legal. :roll: Like the saying goes, when you make it criminal to own guns, only criminals will own guns. Canada is a perfect example.

Don't let the lefties get to you, they really have no points regarding this that make any sense at all.

 

[Nascar_James]

In Montreal, if I were to protect my family and fire at an armed intruder burglarizing my home, I would get arrested.

and the problem is???

CA does not put as much emphasis on 'guns" as the US does. Amazing that every toddler in the US does not own a gun now.

But living in a dangerous, paranoid society can do that to people. Seems all those guns around......little wonder many are afraid of their own shadow.

There are more constructive ways of protecting ones home /property etc.

All right then. If an armed intruder comes into my home while I am asleep, I have a descent chance of being able to protect my family. In your case, the armed intruder would realize that you are not armed and would drop his weapon and surrender. In that case, I'll stick to my method, you to yours.

 

[jimmoyer]

I agree with you "Nascar_james" and you "bluealberta."
Teaching how to use firearms, is a serious study in honor and respect, for it makes a perfect setting to acquaint a young person growing into adulthood to come to terms with responsibility.

My dad and his friends used to walk to highschool shooting some squirrels (highly unnecessary in today's climate) and store their guns in their lockers, long before the days of 'BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE." There was no alarm. There was no fear, nor concern about it.

Times have changed, haven't they ?

But because most of us live in an increasingly urbanized environment, the natural loss of some of these liberties inevitably becomes curtailed. The fault line on liberties treasured by the conservative right and the liberties treasured by the liberal left is the difference between urban and rural living.

The anti-gunners see the headlines of accidents in the home, violence in the cities, rash acts of passion, and go ballistic so to speak about why non-hunting guns such as automatic weapons are allowed, despite saying its okay if Chavez of Venezuela stockpiles them in his country.

Both sides got something true they deny the other.

Such is how this debate goes everytime.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Preventing Canada from joining the US is not about citizens owning handguns.

I read in the sun newspaper that Canada now has 1500 peacekeepers, down from 4700 in 1993. We don't even want to spend money on noble peacekeeping. Cdns don't even want to be referees in world disputes, our role as disinterested fixer-upper is declining. Cdns just don't have much interest in world affairs. The bureaucrats are part of every major organization, but the masses mostly offer little interest.

But we need to patrol a vast land. If we don't do it, someone else might, like the US.

 

[bluealberta]

Preventing Canada from joining the US is not about citizens owning handguns.

I read in the sun newspaper that Canada now has 1500 peacekeepers, down from 4700 in 1993. We don't even want to spend money on noble peacekeeping. Cdns don't even want to be referees in world disputes, our role as disinterested fixer-upper is declining. Cdns just don't have much interest in world affairs. The bureaucrats are part of every major organization, but the masses mostly offer little interest.

But we need to patrol a vast land. If we don't do it, someone else might, like the US.

Agreed. Unfortunately, the liberals have progressively downgraded the military over the years to where it is pretty much irrlevant. Underfunded and under equipped, yet we expect these folks to go hither and yon at a moments notice. Either we have to be serious about our military, or get out all together, and admit that we are under the US umbrella, and accept that fact. Let them have access to Cold Lake in Alberta, for example. Why not? We are a stones throw, basically, from Malstrom anyway, so why not let them have access to Cold Lake if they will protect us. I would suggest that even without this access, we are protected by them anyway, so why not acknowledge reality, especially in this day and age of global terrorism. Better to be ready, than to respond after the fact.

 

[Slurpie]

isn't there only 50 states?

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

isn't there only 50 states?

Yes there are only 50 States. I guess an error from the original poster.

 

[no1important]

RE: Should Canada Become

Iraq is the 51st

 

[jimmoyer]

The Iraqis would be surprised to know what you know.

 

[I think not]

If there was ever an olive branch to be handed out, it certainly has been accomplished by Cosmo in this thread. She remarked "I tend to see things from a global perspective". Indeed, one day we will be a global community, perhaps not in our lifetime, but humans will go on, and hopefully learn from their mistakes.

In the meantime some of us here in North America can learn a great deal from each other, Cosmo quote:

"I think the sanity factor of Canadians would temper some of the rabid aggression of the Americans. I think some of the patriotism and willingness to take a stance on things would strengthen Canada's ambiguous, polite way of being. I think both countries would be better for the marriage."

Does this necessarily mean a United North America? I wouldn't go that far, not in our lifetime anyway, but instead of shouting at each other around the dinner table, I think we can easily learn from each other. We have a unique position and relationship in the world in my opinion.

I think we are the only two countries that counterbalance each other. Thanks Cosmo. You made my day.