Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

[bluealberta]

In Canada, guns are not self defence devices, they are for hunting, hence the rules about having to be unloaded. And don't tell me for a second that an unlocked loaded gun is a good idea in a house with children, regardless of what you teach them. If criminals don't have guns (which they really don't in Canada) there is no reason why you should need one. Protect your family with your gun if you must, but don't expect the court to be lenient when you shoot the meter reader for the gas company because you thought he was an intruder trying to gain access to your home.

If the meter reader is trying to read a meter at 3:00 am, he is fair game :wink: . Just kidding, but your example is irrelevant. Did you have any experience with firearms growing up? Did you come from a rural or urban background? The question is important, because the difference in opinion is based on these two differences. If you have never been around guns, or used them, you will have a different view of firearms than those who did. Education is the absolute key to gun safety, and when I grew up, there was zero tolerance regarding this issue. As a result, at a very young age, I had a respect for firearms and was very aware of what they could do. However, I was not afraid of them. Just respectful.

 

[manda]

I Just wanted to say, If Canada ever decides to Join with the States, I'm moving in with my Aunt....She's in England

 

[AirIntake]

blue,
You can train your kids all you want to the best of your ability. But your kids will still have friends, and those friends will not necessarily have the same 'respect' for guns. Your kids will play with their friends when you're not around, and therefore the potential for a dangerous situation is always there. Your kids do not always listen to you, that's a fact, so if there is a gun, they will eventually play with it with a friend. There's nothing you can do to prevent this short of not having the gun there in the first place.

So you know, I grew up in small town Alberta. I've had many pellet guns when I was very young, and I shot rifles often with the Air Cadets. I'm not afraid of guns, and I believe that responsible people can handle them safely (like perhaps me and you). But who is responsible? From a quick survey while driving, I can tell that most everybody is an idiot that shouldn't even be driving a car, let alone handling a gun. These people, if left to their own, would leave loaded guns around the house with their children around.

I have no problem whatsoever with hunting rifles and shotguns used by farmers etc for protecting their animals. But, there is absolutely no reason to have hand guns (or any guns) loaded in your house for 'protection'. There are just too many possibilities for accidents.

Guns should be locked, separate from ammo, registered, licensed, and only for sport or protecting farm animals from predators. Guns as self defence just does not work. Leave that job up to police who are better trained and diciplined.

 

[Jay]

"Guns as self defence just does not work. Leave that job up to police who are better trained and diciplined."

Cause there is always a cop around when you’re being raped.

 

[manda]

I don't even like my kids having toy guns in the house, I honestly beleive that you have to be at least 16 to begin to comprehend the responsibility that goes along with them. The kids have sling shots and a bow and arrows that they are allowed to use, but only under the supervision of my partner and I.

 

[manda]

Re: RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

"Guns as self defence just does not work. Leave that job up to police who are better trained and diciplined."

Cause there is always a cop around when you’re being raped.

I agree that the police aren't always there when you need them, oh boy, do I. But the chance of that gun in your purse being used against you in a scuffle, just isn't worth having one. SING is the best defense in a case like that (solarplexus, instep, nose, groin, a little pressure goes a long way) It served me as a 5'4" 100 lb 15 year old against a 6' 2" 200+lb hockey player quite well

 

[Jay]

Hand guns are self defense weapons....for the government to say you can not have one is breaking the constitutional right of "life, liberty and security of the person" ....all the hoopla over SSM, and we can't properly defend ourselves...good grief.

 

[AirIntake]

We are not allowed to carry any device we want for self defence use. You do not have the constitutional right to have an atomic bomb just incase the commies come after you. I'm sorry, your just not understanding that line of the constitution. One could take the 'liberty' part of that to mean that laws are against the constitution, because every law limits your liberty. By the same token, thinking as you do, this would make prisons unconstitutional as well. The Supreme Court interprets the constitution and it is certainly not absolutely literall.

Guns do not equal security. If they did, the US would be the safest place to be on earth, which it very obviously is not. Trip to south central anyone? Everybody has a gun there, so it must be real safe!

 

[bluealberta]

Well I can only speak from my experiences. I have four other siblings, we all grew up with guns, and have never had problems. Perhaps it was more to do with the times, but that is my experience.

The other thing we forget, is that there has been handgun registration since the 30's or 40's, and the regulations in place prior to the gun registry were reasonable to most people.

And to the issue of police being available, that may be true to a certain degree in urban Canada, but in rural Canada, forget it. By the time you even get ahold of someone, let alone by the time a policeman gets there, it is too late.

Let me ask one more question: How many of you would have rather had the gun registry money spent on health or education? Where do you think it would have done the most good? I know my answer.

 

[AirIntake]

What are the statistics on armed home invasions on rural houses? I believe you can still get by with a baseball bat and some common sence. My 85 year old grandmother lives by herself in the middle of nowhere with no gun.

 

[manda]

What are the statistics on armed home invasions on rural houses? I believe you can still get by with a baseball bat and some common sence. My 85 year old grandmother lives by herself in the middle of nowhere with no gun.

I happen to have a bat and a mean swing myself

 

[Jay]

We are not allowed to carry any device we want for self defence use. You do not have the constitutional right to have an atomic bomb just incase the commies come after you. I'm sorry, your just not understanding that line of the constitution. One could take the 'liberty' part of that to mean that laws are against the constitution, because every law limits your liberty. By the same token, thinking as you do, this would make prisons unconstitutional as well. The Supreme Court interprets the constitution and it is certainly not absolutely literall.

Guns do not equal security. If they did, the US would be the safest place to be on earth, which it very obviously is not. Trip to south central anyone? Everybody has a gun there, so it must be real safe!

Ya, use the atomic bomb argument....works every time...now I see the light....

Maybe you could explain what the constitution means by security of the person.

 

[bulldog]

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Unfortunetly I don't think the powers that be are going to give us a choice I think your going to see another large scale terror attack .THen the will say the only way we can ever be safe is to give up what little freedom we have left and the majority of sheeple will just go along with it .

Mr. Mom,
Now that you are the prophet - and a large scale terror attack has occurred in London - is Canada going to come to the aid of Britain?

Bull Dog

 

[bulldog]

Re: RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

I Just wanted to say, If Canada ever decides to Join with the States, I'm moving in with my Aunt....She's in England

Just wanted to wish you luck with that after the terrorist attacks in London. It's really safe, calm and cozy there.

Get real, as Dr. Phil says.

Bull Dog

 

[mrmom2]

Were next Bulldog get ready for your national ID card and more restrictions .Who stands to gain not you or me or the Arabs so who ask yourself this question.Whos' in trouble with the public about their policys of late who needs this incedent to stay on their agenda ?I'm no prophet Ijust don't listen to mainstream medias lies .Go look for yourself :wink: Were being lied to were being taxed more and our rights are slowly being taken away in the name of security .Where does it end :evil: I'm afraid Orwells nightmare vision is starting to come true it won't happen over night but if nobody stands up and says no it will come :wink:

 

[EagleSmack]

In Canada, guns are not self defence devices, they are for hunting, hence the rules about having to be unloaded. And don't tell me for a second that an unlocked loaded gun is a good idea in a house with children, regardless of what you teach them. If criminals don't have guns (which they really don't in Canada) there is no reason why you should need one. Protect your family with your gun if you must, but don't expect the court to be lenient when you shoot the meter reader for the gas company because you thought he was an intruder trying to gain access to your home.

Criminals do not "really" have guns in Canada?

Hmmm... I thought I read about a few Canadian Mounties being shot and killed not to long ago. That criminal must have been really efficient with a sling shot.

 

[Jay]

Never mind all the shootings in Toronto lately.

It makes me wonder who is on whose side…

 

[mrmom2]

No kidding more and more criminals have guns these days and I bet their all just lining up to register them too

 

[AirIntake]

Criminals do not "really" have guns in Canada?

Hmmm... I thought I read about a few Canadian Mounties being shot and killed not to long ago. That criminal must have been really efficient with a sling shot.

So having a gun would make you safe from crazy Jim Rozko (sp?)????
Seems to me that the RCMP outnumbered him, AND had guns, and it still didn't do them any good. So don't give me any BS that people having guns would prevent crazy Jim from killing anybody. Had you pulled out your handgun at him he would have easily killed you too. You would have to arm yourself as good or better than the RCMP's ERT to even have a chance. If you suggest we should all be armed and armoured to the teeth like the ERT team, you live in a very different world than I.

Jay,

I said that constitution must be interpreted, it is not completely literal. 'Security of the person' means you have the right to reasonable self defence (the key here is 'reasonable'). It means you have the reasonable right to have police. It does not give you a card blanche to do whatever you want in the name of defending yourself. If you disagree with me, then by all means carry a loaded and concealed handgun, and when you feel threatened by some person, shoot them. You can then go in front of the court and explain that you had the constitutional right to do so, and if you win, you will have proven me wrong. Have fun!

 

[Nascar_James]

We are not allowed to carry any device we want for self defence use. You do not have the constitutional right to have an atomic bomb just incase the commies come after you. I'm sorry, your just not understanding that line of the constitution. One could take the 'liberty' part of that to mean that laws are against the constitution, because every law limits your liberty. By the same token, thinking as you do, this would make prisons unconstitutional as well. The Supreme Court interprets the constitution and it is certainly not absolutely literall.

Guns do not equal security. If they did, the US would be the safest place to be on earth, which it very obviously is not. Trip to south central anyone? Everybody has a gun there, so it must be real safe!

The point here is, if you are law abiding, you should not be restricted in owning and carrying a firearm. I would hate it if I could not head down to the shooting range with my 9mm.