Should Canada Become the 52nd State?
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This question really irritates me, and most of the Canadians in Toronto I know who are very fond of the U.S. are that way because of pop culture, and are essentially wannabes. Thankfully, since the Iraq war, etc., they've been much more quiet in their praise of the U.S., and I think it's really affected how they view Canada vs. the U.S. 
Canadians are so different from Americans on innumerable social issues (we're more left) and fiscal policies (we're more centre- no deficits, paying down debt, but also a strong social net) that I think there's a fundamental value difference that would be hard to bridge.
Would we want to lose control of our land? We would have no say over who comes to Canada. We'd be flooded by Americans moving here to live in our cleaner, safer cities, and our scenery would be destroyed by the amount of development that would occur (development that wouldn't have to live up to our stricter environmental controls and would pollute and ruin the nation). We'd have little say in the American legislature because our entire population is ten times smaller than the rest of the U.S., and we'd have to *shudder* live under the diktat of the U.S. Republican majority!
I'm at a loss as to what the advantages would actually be. I think someone has to point those out before we can take the question seriously.
Canadians are so different from Americans on innumerable social issues (we're more left) and fiscal policies (we're more centre- no deficits, paying down debt, but also a strong social net) that I think there's a fundamental value difference that would be hard to bridge.
Would we want to lose control of our land? We would have no say over who comes to Canada. We'd be flooded by Americans moving here to live in our cleaner, safer cities, and our scenery would be destroyed by the amount of development that would occur (development that wouldn't have to live up to our stricter environmental controls and would pollute and ruin the nation). We'd have little say in the American legislature because our entire population is ten times smaller than the rest of the U.S., and we'd have to *shudder* live under the diktat of the U.S. Republican majority!
I'm at a loss as to what the advantages would actually be. I think someone has to point those out before we can take the question seriously.
me too. An idle fantasy or wishful thinking by some??? Get real. If you are so damned enamored by the US.....just get out of Canada and move there.& you won't be missed. Leave CA alone. Who in their right mind would want Canada polluted by the US???? ---any more than it is already. (and this includes pollution of the mind)
The US destroys almost everything it touches......and yet some are so brainwashed about the US. Too many commercials and US propaganda??? Reality check..
Shiva said:This question really irritates me, and most of the Canadians in Toronto I know who are very fond of the U.S. are that way because of pop culture, and are essentially wannabes. Thankfully, since the Iraq war, etc., they've been much more quiet in their praise of the U.S., and I think it's really affected how they view Canada vs. the U.S.
Pop culture influences a lot of things and how certain segments of North American Culture is viewed is quite different depending on the area/region/country. Most of the people around Toronto/New York area are business types who see borders/boundaries as limits to their commerce activities! My cousins in Toronto/Lower Ontario see the US much like Northern Staters do since they are influenced by the media which crosses the border as well with ease.
Southerners (Below the Ohio River) see that area as one and lump it in as "Northerners".
Shiva said:Canadians are so different from Americans on innumerable social issues (we're more left) and fiscal policies (we're more centre- no deficits, paying down debt, but also a strong social net) that I think there's a fundamental value difference that would be hard to bridge.
Depends on the region/state/province/area you are trying to define, social issues even vary from state to state down here! For example, Louisiana and Hawaii have a Public Health Care System much like the Provincial System found in Canada. Gay issues find frienldy reception in some states like Massachusetts, Vermont, California, Hawaii and a few others but not in the Bible Belt areas which is also the case in Canada with some issues in Alberta. Our Social net here in the States is more Federal Driven but States have different levels of Social Help since more power is left to the States. Its hard to bridge the differences between States much less Canada and her Provinces.
Shiva said:Would we want to lose control of our land? We would have no say over who comes to Canada. We'd be flooded by Americans moving here to live in our cleaner, safer cities, and our scenery would be destroyed by the amount of development that would occur (development that wouldn't have to live up to our stricter environmental controls and would pollute and ruin the nation). We'd have little say in the American legislature because our entire population is ten times smaller than the rest of the U.S., and we'd have to *shudder* live under the diktat of the U.S. Republican majority!
1. If some type of union was done, just look at Texas when she joined up! Texas kept all of her land under State/Provicial control and kept the right to leave the union, break up into five more states and had all of the Countries' debt assumed by Washington, DC!
2. Enviromental laws can be tougher on the State/Provincial Level than the Federal Model. California is an example of how diferent areas can draw up more stringent rules than the Federals!
3. As far as the Congress is concerned, true Canada has 1/10th the population which means only about 45 representatives from the Northern provinces but with the Senate you guys would control the outcome with 13 new Provinces/States/Commonwealths meaning 26 Senators (assuming no new breakups to force more Senators into the fray) The Canadian Content of the Legislative, Senatorial and Supreme Court would force the Republicans from power and the Electorial College would have meant Gore would have won the 2000 elections, NO IRAQ, moderate policies and the Revolution of 1776, War of 1812 would have been for nothing!
The balance of Republicans to Democrats would shift in the House and the Candian Caucus would be in the driver's seat.
Shiva said:I'm at a loss as to what the advantages would actually be. I think someone has to point those out before we can take the question seriously.
Advantages:
1. A North American Currency! No exchange hassles!
2. A Moderate goup of Norhern States/Provinces to keep the others from doing something stupid, "Remember Bush?"
3. An Economic Powerhouse to rival Europe and China.
4. Thinking Politicians-maybe?
5. Better beer in the lower 48.
6. Better places to spend the Winter for our Francophone coisines-Louisiane. Spending our summers in Acadie!
7. Newfoundland would have Arkansas to look down at!
8. Again, No Bush could get elected and PQ could break ties in the House of Representatives!
Huh Martin thanks but no thanks while some of those things might be alright .The one thing i can think of that I want no part off is the crime rate down there 8O .You can keep the war machine to no thanks :wink:
It seems we're worried about the US invasion...! What about the Asiatic flu in Vancouver...? Over here in Montreal, we don't even say Vancouver anymore - we say Hongcouver.
I wonder sometimes about us Canadians... it seems we're all arms open wide for any form of invasion...not to mention the separatist invasion. Maybe it's a sign of general public dissatisfaction. We're looking for something more interesting somehow...
When's the next invasion? - it seems to be very addictive. If I don't have my daily dose of invasion fantasy, I get a little dizzy.
The next one please...
DoubleWitt
I wonder sometimes about us Canadians... it seems we're all arms open wide for any form of invasion...not to mention the separatist invasion. Maybe it's a sign of general public dissatisfaction. We're looking for something more interesting somehow...
When's the next invasion? - it seems to be very addictive. If I don't have my daily dose of invasion fantasy, I get a little dizzy.
The next one please...
DoubleWitt
shame on you.. :!: :wink: How dare you call my "town" names??? :wink:
If the US is so damned keen on invasions and regime changes.......how about they get themselves organized to invade themselves and introduce true freedom/democracy and a regime change in the US??? That should keep them occupied for a while.........and leave others to get on with life..
RE: Should Canada Become
Montreal is as multicultural as Vancouver so I am surprised to hear those insults from Quebec. I would of expected them from Alberta..
Montreal is as multicultural as Vancouver so I am surprised to hear those insults from Quebec. I would of expected them from Alberta..
DoubleWitt said:
While living in Canada, I had heard of another expression ... "the Asian Invasion"
DoubleWitt said:
yep, DoubleWitt. Looks like the leaders in the Liberal govn't have caused invasion on the brain...influencing their followers to absorb ridiculous nonsense of this nature.
Re: RE: Should Canada Become
Not multicultural Hunter, multiethnic. There are two main cultures in Montreal (English and French) comprising of folks with different ethnic backgrounds.
neocon-hunter said:
Not multicultural Hunter, multiethnic. There are two main cultures in Montreal (English and French) comprising of folks with different ethnic backgrounds.
:wink: .........a truism. Actually, isn't it Alberta that is pining to be the 52nd State in the United States of A**holes???
RE: Should Canada Become
For now but once oil busts, alternate fuels become availble, oil drops in price or runs out they will come crying for transfer payments. They should realize they have it much better in Canada than America.
If they ever did join Amerikkka (long shot) they would be another have not state once the USG took all the oil.
For now but once oil busts, alternate fuels become availble, oil drops in price or runs out they will come crying for transfer payments. They should realize they have it much better in Canada than America.
If they ever did join Amerikkka (long shot) they would be another have not state once the USG took all the oil.
I wouldn't really consider it an insult, friends, it's just a little sense of humour... that's all. I was just trying to illustrate how invasion is emphasized from one end of Canada to another - it seems to be a crafty tool in some people's hands...
Sorry to bug ya!
DoubleWitt
Sorry to bug ya!
DoubleWitt
RE: Should Canada Become
Sorry. My apologies. As it is hard to get the "tone" of posts at times, when one posts on forums. No biggie. I'll buy ya a beer or 12 if you are ever out this way.
Sorry. My apologies. As it is hard to get the "tone" of posts at times, when one posts on forums. No biggie. I'll buy ya a beer or 12 if you are ever out this way.
Actually, Vancouver is a very nice place and so is Victoria - I was born there... and so you might say - what am I doing here in Montreal...? Guess what! I don't know...
Maybe I'll swing across that way someday...
Cheers,
DoubleWitt
Maybe I'll swing across that way someday...
Cheers,
DoubleWitt