The thought of someday just hopping accross the border to escape the terminal psychosis down here was a thought that eliminated a lot of anxiety for me. Now all this talk of annexation on this thread has me thinking of western Europe.
Should Canada Become the 52nd State?
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Re: RE: Should Canada Become
Puerto Rico had a vote where the choice was:
1. Statehood 45%
2. Territory 51%
3. Independence 04%
The reason PR wanted to stay a "Territory" was that Income Tax can only be collected by the Territory and not the FEDERAL GOVT so Taxes are much lower! Federal Assistance is guaranteed and because PRis not a state, they are a self run "Commonwealth" with little or no Federal Involvement in their local affairs! They Speak Spanish, Use US Currency, are considered US Citizens and don't vote for the President!
neocon-hunter said:
Puerto Rico had a vote where the choice was:
1. Statehood 45%
2. Territory 51%
3. Independence 04%
The reason PR wanted to stay a "Territory" was that Income Tax can only be collected by the Territory and not the FEDERAL GOVT so Taxes are much lower! Federal Assistance is guaranteed and because PRis not a state, they are a self run "Commonwealth" with little or no Federal Involvement in their local affairs! They Speak Spanish, Use US Currency, are considered US Citizens and don't vote for the President!
Ocean Breeze said:
How about 50 more Provinces, 6 or 7 territories (Most in real sunny warm places!) and 300 Million more Canadians!
At least the money would get colourful and tooneys could be saved up for that Cuban vacation!
Re: RE: Should Canada Become
Southern Acadie would be an enclave in a Blue State and the Second derangement would probably be under way!
Thanks Rev, you have given me a good idea about a futuristic novel about the realignment of countires in the not so distant future!
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AT THE BORDER STATION, DETROIT, NEW MICHIGAN: 15 JUNE, 2031:
NOR CUSTOMS AGENT: Yes Sir, what is the purpose of your visit to the Northern US Sector?
MARTIN L'ACADIEN: i am en route to Southern Acadie below Thibodaux, Louisiane. (Handing Canadian Passports to Agent)
NOR CUSTOMS AGENT: Anything to declare, any consumables, meats or plants?
MARTIN L'ACADIEN: no sir
NOR CUSTOMS AGENT: Have a nice trip down South!
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AT THE OHIO RIVER BORDER CHECK, SOUTHERN STATES CUSTOM STATION:
SOUTHERN STATES BORDER CONTROL: Yo boy, where you headed Frenchie?
MARTIN L'ACADIEN: To Louisiane, Southern Acadie, Canada.
SSBC: Coon Ass Land, huh, should have thought, Youze got anything to declare including subversive material!
MARTIN L'ACADIEN: No sir, just trying to get down South.
SSBC: Well this pass is good for 36 Hours and don't let us catch ur stinking *ss subverting any of our good citizens of dark color! Now git boy!
AS WE ARE PULLING AWAY FROM THE STATION, LA MADAM ACADIENNE says: Le prochain temps, jemais!
Rev, not a good idea, too much disharmony on the continent!
Reverend Blair said:
Southern Acadie would be an enclave in a Blue State and the Second derangement would probably be under way!
Thanks Rev, you have given me a good idea about a futuristic novel about the realignment of countires in the not so distant future!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
AT THE BORDER STATION, DETROIT, NEW MICHIGAN: 15 JUNE, 2031:
NOR CUSTOMS AGENT: Yes Sir, what is the purpose of your visit to the Northern US Sector?
MARTIN L'ACADIEN: i am en route to Southern Acadie below Thibodaux, Louisiane. (Handing Canadian Passports to Agent)
NOR CUSTOMS AGENT: Anything to declare, any consumables, meats or plants?
MARTIN L'ACADIEN: no sir
NOR CUSTOMS AGENT: Have a nice trip down South!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
AT THE OHIO RIVER BORDER CHECK, SOUTHERN STATES CUSTOM STATION:
SOUTHERN STATES BORDER CONTROL: Yo boy, where you headed Frenchie?
MARTIN L'ACADIEN: To Louisiane, Southern Acadie, Canada.
SSBC: Coon Ass Land, huh, should have thought, Youze got anything to declare including subversive material!
MARTIN L'ACADIEN: No sir, just trying to get down South.
SSBC: Well this pass is good for 36 Hours and don't let us catch ur stinking *ss subverting any of our good citizens of dark color! Now git boy!
AS WE ARE PULLING AWAY FROM THE STATION, LA MADAM ACADIENNE says: Le prochain temps, jemais!
Rev, not a good idea, too much disharmony on the continent!
Should Canada Become the 52nd State?
My question is Why???
What would be achieved? It's not like things down there are being run any better than they are here...It's just being run badly differently.
What the states would aquire from us is more water, an end to the softwood lumber dispute, and extra non renewable resources to boot, and a whole pile of cannon fodder for when their draft kicks in.
My question is Why???
What would be achieved? It's not like things down there are being run any better than they are here...It's just being run badly differently.
What the states would aquire from us is more water, an end to the softwood lumber dispute, and extra non renewable resources to boot, and a whole pile of cannon fodder for when their draft kicks in.
RE: Should Canada Become
The Canadian government isn't the competent juristiction to negotiate any such agreement and the US would foolish to negotiate this with them.
The Canadian confederation is made up of 10 equal partners and three territories. British Columbia in no way delegated to the Canadians any authority to negotiate such a deal, so if the US shows up waving a piece of paper signed by a Canadian claiming we're now all united, it's meaningless until each province agreed to it. In short, not going to happen for a multitude of reasons.
In fact, if you look at world trends, I think you're going to see North America fracture into several different independent nations.
The Canadian government isn't the competent juristiction to negotiate any such agreement and the US would foolish to negotiate this with them.
The Canadian confederation is made up of 10 equal partners and three territories. British Columbia in no way delegated to the Canadians any authority to negotiate such a deal, so if the US shows up waving a piece of paper signed by a Canadian claiming we're now all united, it's meaningless until each province agreed to it. In short, not going to happen for a multitude of reasons.
In fact, if you look at world trends, I think you're going to see North America fracture into several different independent nations.
i'm against canada joining the states for the simple reason that imperial measurement really screws me up. that and i like my flashy, multicoloured canadian currency.
It would really, really screw up if joined the US...imperial measurements in Canada and Britain (and the rest of the Commonwealth) are different than the measurements used in the US.
The worst part about that is the US has smaller pint glasses, so when you order a pint at the fake British pub, you get ripped off.
Reverend Blair said:The worst part about that is the US has smaller pint glasses, so when you order a pint at the fake British pub, you get ripped off.
Beer in the US is limited to 3.8 to 5.5 on Alcohol content along with being poorly made. Kidneys hafta work Overtime to get the liver up to speed!
Imperial measurements are 5/4 to American and Metric is better anyhow.
What if we joined Canada, our money could get coloured faster and look better! Teaching English speaking Yanks to say eh and ZED would be fun.
The Whitehouse could be turned into a museum with a special section on why the US broke up after the disastourous misadventues of the Bushes.
Think of the possibliities!
Enequivocally, no.
I am a staunch supporter of Canadian sovereignty and, while I may support many of our nations' partner projects and shared endeavours, I think that Canada is far better off as an independent and sovereign nation.
To join the United States, Canada would be forced to abolish the vesting of executive power in the monarchy, which I fundamentally oppose; this would be abandoning a huge part of Canadian tradition, heritage and history. Furthermore, the Supreme Court of Canada, which has served our people so well, would no longer be the final arbiter of Canadian issues; rather, issues of human rights would be referred to the Supreme Court of the United States, which as a far more "conservative" record in terms of its interpretation of constitutional text.
I would not suggest that Canada take any action that would threaten the absolute authority of the Constitution Act, 1982; in particular, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Personally, I believe the merging of Canadian and American judicial systems would please the until-now liberal (which in terms of rights and freedoms, is most certainly a good thing) interpretation of the Constitution at risk.
And lastly, let's think about some of the really good qualities about Canada's system of Government. Our Prime Minister and his Government were defeated weeks ago on a vote of non-confidence, reflecting the disapproval of the people in relation to their administration of the nation. In the United States, such cannot be the case with the executive branch of the Government; once elected, a President is entrenched in the process until the next set election, notwithstanding a soaring rating of general disapproval.
In Canada, we have the social programs we need to ensure that each and every citizen has access to the resources they need; health care is a huge example of this. It is a fundamental right that Canadians have access to health care, notwithstanding whatever their financial situation may be.
That's just my opinion. I say "neay," on the topic of a political "union" with the United States.
I am a staunch supporter of Canadian sovereignty and, while I may support many of our nations' partner projects and shared endeavours, I think that Canada is far better off as an independent and sovereign nation.
To join the United States, Canada would be forced to abolish the vesting of executive power in the monarchy, which I fundamentally oppose; this would be abandoning a huge part of Canadian tradition, heritage and history. Furthermore, the Supreme Court of Canada, which has served our people so well, would no longer be the final arbiter of Canadian issues; rather, issues of human rights would be referred to the Supreme Court of the United States, which as a far more "conservative" record in terms of its interpretation of constitutional text.
I would not suggest that Canada take any action that would threaten the absolute authority of the Constitution Act, 1982; in particular, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Personally, I believe the merging of Canadian and American judicial systems would please the until-now liberal (which in terms of rights and freedoms, is most certainly a good thing) interpretation of the Constitution at risk.
And lastly, let's think about some of the really good qualities about Canada's system of Government. Our Prime Minister and his Government were defeated weeks ago on a vote of non-confidence, reflecting the disapproval of the people in relation to their administration of the nation. In the United States, such cannot be the case with the executive branch of the Government; once elected, a President is entrenched in the process until the next set election, notwithstanding a soaring rating of general disapproval.
In Canada, we have the social programs we need to ensure that each and every citizen has access to the resources they need; health care is a huge example of this. It is a fundamental right that Canadians have access to health care, notwithstanding whatever their financial situation may be.
That's just my opinion. I say "neay," on the topic of a political "union" with the United States.
Re: RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?
I agree with you mostly on that. Besides the whole monarchy thing. But the reason why the government was defeated was because we had a minority government this time around. The Liberals have yet to ever carry the support of or manadate of the people with a 51% higher or more pop vote.
With everything else you have two thumbs up from me. American culture, even in the north might be like our own in some ways but there are still many differences between the Northern American states and Canada. We have a rich history which most americans don't even read about starting from the Vikings, to New France to the BNA (act). If Canada were to ever dissolve it would be one of the worst things which could happen in the world, as Canada is one of the shinning stars of progress, with social programs which at least attempt to protect the poor to peace keeping around the world and a good moderate voice reason to military powers around the world.
I'm hopeful the USA would fall apart long before Canada does.
FiveParadox said:
I agree with you mostly on that. Besides the whole monarchy thing. But the reason why the government was defeated was because we had a minority government this time around. The Liberals have yet to ever carry the support of or manadate of the people with a 51% higher or more pop vote.
With everything else you have two thumbs up from me. American culture, even in the north might be like our own in some ways but there are still many differences between the Northern American states and Canada. We have a rich history which most americans don't even read about starting from the Vikings, to New France to the BNA (act). If Canada were to ever dissolve it would be one of the worst things which could happen in the world, as Canada is one of the shinning stars of progress, with social programs which at least attempt to protect the poor to peace keeping around the world and a good moderate voice reason to military powers around the world.
I'm hopeful the USA would fall apart long before Canada does.
"I'm hopeful the USA would fall apart long before Canada does."
that sounds funny! are we just holding onto a dysfunctional crumbling system only to be so prideful as to outlast another faulty crumbling system?
i smell the pride you have in canada in your post. as the saying goes "pride cometh before the fall".
that sounds funny! are we just holding onto a dysfunctional crumbling system only to be so prideful as to outlast another faulty crumbling system?
i smell the pride you have in canada in your post. as the saying goes "pride cometh before the fall".
Nothing wrong with having pride in our country.
May not be perfect, but it's better than nothing. lol
May not be perfect, but it's better than nothing. lol
Re: RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?
Look man I'm also an internationalist. If you read my posts I often take into account things happening in other nations. I think Canada could use things other nations do.
"pride cometh before the fall"? I think your quoting out of context here. You might be able to smell a hint of pride I have in my post on trying to keep confederation together, but I smell aversion to confederation in yours.
the caracal kid said:
Look man I'm also an internationalist. If you read my posts I often take into account things happening in other nations. I think Canada could use things other nations do.
"pride cometh before the fall"? I think your quoting out of context here. You might be able to smell a hint of pride I have in my post on trying to keep confederation together, but I smell aversion to confederation in yours.