Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

[Reverend Blair]

Ok ... now I'll hide under my computer desk while everyone flings rotten tomatoes at me!

At the price of tomatoes this year? I don't think so. :wink:

I don't see it as Canada vs. USA much, Cosmo. Like I've said in other posts, I just place blame where blame is due. That casts a much less uglier light on the USA, especially under the Bush government, than it does on the rest of the world though. While Canada, Europe, and the wealthy countries of Asia have at least begun to move towards addressing the very real problems that face the world, the USA has consistently worked against attempts to increase multi-lateralism and work towards bringing the developing world up to the standards we enjoy.

When I go after Canada or Europe, it is generally because they aren't doing enough. When I go after the US, it is generally because they are hampering the attempts of other nations and world organisations and moving us further away from achieving a global village.

The global village is a wonderful thing to work towards. It is work though...it doesn't just happen.

By the way, if you haven't done so go and read Michael Red Eagle's link. It's excellent.

 

[whicker]

Plus I'd love to be able to wander down to somewhere permanently warm to live and work!

Now that sounds good to me :lol: :lol:

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Should Canada Become

I have little pity for people living on the west coast who are looking for a warmer place to live and work. Try Winnipeg for a winter. ;-)

 

[justfred]

I missed which is the 51st state

 

[no1important]

Re: RE: Should Canada Become the 52nd State?

I missed which is the 51st state

Iraq?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Should Canada Become

Puerto Rico? Panama? Mexico? Colombia? Haiti?

That's the thing...how do you order them? Do you go by date, amount of control, number of people suffering, dead babies?

 

[MichaelRedEagle]

Mexico is independent (for now)
Columbian Farmers say they make more $ growing private cocane than farming plus what the us gives them.
Haiti doesn't belong to anyone, especially the Haitians.
But Puerto Rico is a us territory, they should watch their backs.

And as for anyone complaining about the cold 2 things:
1. Cold country, warm people.
2. Readers Digest has named Canada the country where women are having more sex than anywhere else %wise in the world 12 years running!!!

That's pritty warm!

And as for the argument of Can vs. amer

It unfortunately sometimes can become what appears to be kids in a schoolyard. The sad thing is that there are many on both sides who are getting frustrated and impatient with each other.

The world has enough people that we will soon find the ideas and ideals to be all that we fight over. Its rediculous. Countrys are going to war now just "because". What kind of nonsense is this. Border disputes that harm individuals while stocks rise?

The original question is Should Canada Become the 52nd (whatever) State? This is absurd. Should China become the 53rd?
What about England? #54 Turnabout would be fair play.

There is too many people for any one government to govern. They are finding this out the hard way in Iraq. If the americans had read a single history book they would know this from such examples as:
Alexanders Pursa
Rome
Gaul
The land of the Huns
Mongolia
etc.

Canadians would never stand for it anyway. For one, as much as canada is lacking many Canadianisticism (?), the one thing most Canadians take pride in is that they are not american.

At first this may seem a childish and moot point but then...
http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4584

You may laugh at this, but, I am begining to truely believe the reason why places like China haven't bombed the us into next Tuesday is because everyone doesn't want to accidentally have anything happen to Canada. You know, fall out and all. "We would blast you to bits, but we don't want to accidentally hurt our friends who just so happen to live next door to you." Kim Il Jong (not really, but wouldn't that be funny.)

 

[zenfisher]

Plus I'd love to be able to wander down to somewhere permanently warm to live and work!

I tend to see things from a more global perspective. Instead of all the pushing, shoving and protecting turf, everyone would benefit from that time, energy and money being put toward improving the standard of living for everyone.

Idealistic...Yes...But I don't see it as a bad idea at all. :wink:

 

[Cosmo]

Re: RE: Should Canada Become

I have little pity for people living on the west coast who are looking for a warmer place to live and work. Try Winnipeg for a winter. ;-)

Ah, Rev, so I have heard. "Winterpeg" I believe, is what a designer I hired from there called it. Took a cut in pay to move to the interior of BC -- where thirty below is not unheard of -- and thought it was tropical! I, alas, am a sun worshipper. When the weather dips below mid-20s celcius I start to whine. I was never designed to exist this far north.

While Canada, Europe, and the wealthy countries of Asia have at least begun to move towards addressing the very real problems that face the world, the USA has consistently worked against attempts to increase multi-lateralism and work towards bringing the developing world up to the standards we enjoy.

Kinda reinforces my point precisely. I agree that the USA rabidly goes about acquiring and depleting whatever it can like some kind of sociopathic machine. If the US has a kind of testosterone poisoning, Canada, on the other hand, lacks some of that necessary drive. While the US is a big, mean pitbull sitting there, Canada is a big, dumb, friendly irish setter wagging its tail at everyone. I think there needs to be some balance. Canada needs a little of that backbone and the US needs tempering.

Zenfisher called it idealistic. Absolutely. I live by a "shoot for the moon -- even if you miss, you end up in the stars" philosophy. I am an idealist at heart. That doesn't mean I am blind to the reality, just that I think there is a better way of doing things. We certainly can't go after the US with fierce aggression! We'd get our little butts kicked. I believe to change any system it needs to be done from within. Righteous indignation, no matter how valid, is a little like poking that pitbull with a stick ... just pisses it off and doesn't do anything to change the basic nature.

Polyanna optimist? Perhaps. But under the veneer of cynicism I cultivate, I do actually believe there is some hope for nearly everyone. Now my secret is out, I guess.

I did try to read the link posted but don't know which thread to go to in that forum and can't bear to spend that long reading political stuff. I am a lightweight, I'm afraid, Rev. I do realize you could probably have shredded my "let's all just get along" viewpoint six ways from Sunday and appreciate you using a gentler hand with me.

This thread just caught my attention since I've always said I'd love to live in the states where I could actually get warm for once. And maybe own a handgun. (Ducking the tomatoes again!)

 

[missile]

It's just that to live in the States,you need to own a handgun..gotta keep up with the Joneses,you know.

 

[Twila]

RE: Should Canada Become

So the news tonight announces in a very small blurb that Canada. US and Mexico will release the details of the new plan

North America United. This will abolish tarriff's. Create checkpoints not border crossings. Norad protection for all and a few other tidbits.

The official release is scheduled for a few days from now. I'd have thought this would have been BIG news.

 

[no1important]

RE: Should Canada Become

Well it sounds more like US control over Canada and Mexico.

I thought Free Trade was suppose to cut back on duties and Tariffs? But that only worked when it was conveinent for the Americans.

Creating checkpoints? ha ha That sounds absurd.

Must of been some pretty bored and over paid bureaucrats who came up with that.

I sure hope Canada does not fall for that. We do not need to be more closely tied (read:controlled) to the Americans. We should branch out and rely less on them. Especially how they have mistreated us on everything from Beef to Lumber.

I must watch for that story tonight on the news.

 

[Twila]

RE: Should Canada Become

Well No1. It sounds like Canada was all for it. As was Mexico.

Try channel 11 Global. It should be on there again tonight.

Let me know if you get something different out of it then I did. Cause from the shortness of the segment I was wondering if maybe I'd imagined the whole thing and it was actually about Aunt Milie's cat having given birth or something equally mundane.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Should Canada Become

They are trying to keep it quiet. Vive le Canada is working on an action to publicize it. There should be postcards etc available shortly. They are currently looking for a volunteer or two.

In the meantime, get a hold of your MP, the PMO, and the leaders of all of the parties and scream bloody murder.

 

[no1important]

RE: Should Canada Become

In the meantime, get a hold of your MP, the PMO, and the leaders of all of the parties and scream bloody murder.

I am on it.

 

[Martin Le Acadien]

In 1721 Acadie was succeeded to the English who renamed it Nova Scotia and decided it was alright for the French settlers to live there as "French Neutrals" until 1755 when we were told to leave and NEVER COME BACK!

Finding our way to the Former French colony of Louisiana we found a warm climate and JURRASIC PARK are where we watched the flags change from France to Spain back to France and then to the US when Mr. Bonaparte "sold" it to the US for 15 million and some change.

Moral of the story, flags change from time to time, life goes on.

Acadiens have lived under 7 masters since our arrival in the New World. We wern't asked about being a state or province, who would want to be anyhow?

Puerto Rico hsa the best deal, No Federal Income taxes but all the federal money they can stand!

 

[Alice]

20 June 2005

Dear Newbie:

They are taking our country down. Read the Hansards. Prime Minister Paul Martin has appointed John Manley to NEGOTIATE "deep integration" of Canada with the USA. This is BEHIND the backs of Canadians and despite their will to remain Canadian. Clearly, Canadians are not in charge of our Government. We have been infiltrated and seized by a supranational, transnational Foreign Power by the name of Bilderberg. All our political leaders in ALL our parties, plus a bunch more adherents, are members of Bilderberg. Read Paul Hellyer's book, Goodbye-Canada, and find out that Bilderberg members are required (a) NOT to admit they are members; (b) to DENY that policy for their country is set at Bilderberg; (c) to IMPLEMENT ONLY Bilderberg policy once they have suckered Canadians into voting them into office.

Here's some Hansard you should read. Search the page for the term "deep integration" or scroll down to Canada-U.S. Relations:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/38/1/parlbus/chambus/house/debates/074_2005-03-24/ques074-E.htm

http://www.parl.gc.ca/38/1/parlbus/chambus/house/debates/073_2005-03-23/ques073-E.htm

Does anyone in Canada read our Constitution? Here are a few key pointers:

1) Senators and Members are AUTOMATICALLY disqualified for treason, which is defined as:

"If he takes an Oath or makes a Declaration or Acknowledgment of Allegiance, Obedience, or Adherence to a Foreign Power, or does an Act whereby he becomes a Subject or Citizen, or entitled to the Rights or Privileges of a Subject or Citizen, of a Foreign Power"

NOW THINK: (i) USA = Foreign Power; (ii) "deep integration" = "doing an Act whereby we become subjects or citizens of a Foreign Power"

THINK AGAIN: (i) INDCIPIENT FOREIGN STATE OF QUEBEC = Foreign Power; (ii) SEPARATION / SECESSION = "doing an Act whereby we become subjects or citizens of a Foreign Power"

CONCLUSION: those who are DOING these "Acts" in our Government are self-discharged from elected office for TREASON.

Here's another point to consider:

Bilderberg meetings are top secret and those who run them have been able to get COMPLETE MEDIA BLACKOUT on their agenda for over 50 years now. That agenda has ALWAYS included taking down Canada.

NOW, THINK: Canada's Constitution Act, 1982 says:

"Democratic Rights
Democratic rights of citizens
3. Every citizen of Canada has the right to vote in an election of members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein."

A fundamental condition for a "democratic" vote is that the voter be ENLIGHTENED on the issues and the candidates. It is de facto OBVIOUS that a 50-year MEDIA BLACKOUT hiding the real agenda of secret non-governmental Bilderberg meetings in which Canadian political and governmental leaders PARTICIPATE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, and on which they REFUSE TO REPORT to CANADIANS, fully vitiates the "democratic vote". WHY: because they plan to take down Canada and merge it into the United States of America to make a single CONTINENTAL STATE under US Military control. Canadians did not vote for that. Those who are doing this are committing TREASON.

I think it's time we got NEW VOCABULARY to understand our situation. These people are not our leaders, they are OPERATIVES of a supranational, transnational FOREIGN POWER.

These people are not "in office," they are "invading office" and need to be REMOVED. One legal means of doing this is the prerogative writ of Quo Warranto. It would work, you know, if you could find a JUDGE who hadn't been appointed to HIS office by these same people we need to throw out.

Search the Parliamentary site for key words: NORTHCOM, for example, and you will learn that Paul Martin and his gang are also planning to remove the Canadian border, and substitute US Military for Canadian miltiary and police. Over objections in the House, and with no pertinent explanation, they have already REDUCED BY 1,000 PERSONS the RCMP border guard along the US border with Quebec. This tells me they expect to take Quebec OUT of Canada very very soon, which is the ONLY excuse they have to DISSOLVE THE LEGAL IDENTITY OF THIS COUNTY, leaving all of this country and our 30 million citizens sitting ducks for US absorption.

Remember, we DIDN'T vote for this. We DON'T HAVE TO LET THEM DO IT. We could THROW THEM OUT, if we really wanted to.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Now Alice,

I have no doubt that many things are discussed at Bilderberg conferences that would frighten the hell out of any of us that wish for peace and equality in our time...

But here's the problem that I have:

The Bilderberg conferences have been held every year for 50 years, and you have stated that taking down Canada has always been their goal...and so my question is: Why haven't they been able to affect that before now?

And as to members from all of Canada's political parties being members: I don't recall ever reading the names of a member of the NDP or Bloc Quebecois on their guest lists...

Mind you, it is possible, because the lists are compiled from those who are seen either entering or leaving the buildings where the conferences are held...so they may have been able to sneak in unseen...but that is not a circumstance that I feel falls within the realm of probability...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

By the way, I agree with you that our elected leaders should all be rounded up and tried for treason...at least as far back as Mulroney...

 

[jimmy123]

I like teasing my American friends by pointing out that if Canada, with a population approximatley the same size as the largest state in the Union (California), was the 51st state, Al Gore would have won the presidency in 2000 regardless of the final result in Florida, and there would not have been a "President George W Bush".