Should Canada Become a Neutral Country?

IdRatherBeSkiing

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The U.S. annexes Canada - does anyone really think anyone in the world would care, especially after most of Canada jumps into bed with our "glorious liberators"?

The thought fills me with horror - but I also think it would never happen. Mexico will be taken first.

Pangloss

Why would you assume the US would Anex all Canada? They would annex Alberta and maybe Ontario and let the rest of you fend for yourselves.
 

Unforgiven

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There won't be any troops marching through the city streets of Canada any time soon. But beware of all these jails they're building and note the sway towards the style of governance where people just disappear, some can be jailed wihtout trial and government jets whisk people off in the night to other countries half way around the world to have the "questioned" by people we would demand be locked up here.

I'm just saying.
 

Toro

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There won't be any troops marching through the city streets of Canada any time soon. But beware of all these jails they're building and note the sway towards the style of governance where people just disappear, some can be jailed wihtout trial and government jets whisk people off in the night to other countries half way around the world to have the "questioned" by people we would demand be locked up here.

I'm just saying.

Er,

And this is relevant how?
 

Dox

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With our resources and our know how, wouldn't Canada be better off being a neutral country dedicated to healing the World, trading freely and strategically for the betterment of all man?

Cleaning water

Promoting bilateral fair trade

lifting the fortunes of those less fortunate

You know, we could do it....


First, I guess I need to know what you mean by 'healing the World'. Do you mean giving medical aid to people who are suffering from disease, giving poor people worldwide an economic boost, or do you mean removing elements (including people) that are causing suffering in the world? Or do you mean something completely different? I'm not too good with abstractions.

Second, what do you mean by "betterment of all man"? Physical betterment? Economic? Spiritual? Do you mean 'better' by Canadian standards (that is, according to our general values)?

And finally, what do you mean by "better off"? Would we be safer? Stronger economically? Would we have stronger diplomatic relations? Lower prices at the grocery store?

I could also ask what you're referring to when you mention our "know how" or what criteria a person needs to meet before being "less fortunate" but that would probably seem like nit-picking.
 

Zzarchov

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Canada would never get annexed by the US. Why? Because the British, and other Commonwealth countries such as Australia, would declare war against them.

The US couldn't touch Canada without risking British nukes hitting Washington DC (we all know that some of Britain's nuclear weapons are pointing right at the American capital city right now).

It'd also give us the opportunity to burn the White House again. It was too easy to do last time. We want a challenge the next time it happens. It'd be good to fight wars against the Americans when they are using proper weapons rather than pitchforks.

And considering that the British are renowned for beating numerically superior foes (the French at Agincourt, the French and Spanish at Trafalgar and the Germans at the Battle of Britain) you shouldn't bet against the British in a war against the US if they decide to invade Canada.


Just a note: As of right now Britain cannot fire its nuclear arsenal without US permission. Your current missile set up uses US satellites for targeting and it requires the permission of the American AND British government to launch.
 

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I must say I find this notion of a neutral Canada to be very bizarre. Neutrality to me means a lack of conviction. Like an existential breakdown where the choices available and the subsequent consequences are to difficult to bare.

It's not a question about being good or bad, those are points of view and likely not to be thought of by the decision makers, perhaps by other nations and our citizens. I find it difficult to believe that with all of the opinions on how best to complete a task, or handle a crisis, that we could be a nation which has no fortitude to stand up and do the types of things that Canada has always done.
 

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When I first saw this question posited to the membership here - I decided I would revisit it later after I saw some of the opinions written ... it bothered me greatly ... the query not the responses.

Canada enjoys many descriptives - Neutral would never fit the nation whatsoever - it was born in turmoil and hardship and grew out of that strong, free, independent, welcoming all who would contribute and those in need, and of everything I feel and know and remember about that nation...

Neutral is almost an insult when one compares the thriving country in the north and its history of endeavours both worldwide and domestic ... Neutral could not be farther from the truth of it.
 

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Just a note: As of right now Britain cannot fire its nuclear arsenal without US permission. Your current missile set up uses US satellites for targeting and it requires the permission of the American AND British government to launch.
Not quite.

It may require the agreement of both governments for the missiles to actually hit their targets- but not solely for the launch and that would cause enough damage....;-)
 

Gilgamesh

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With our resources and our know how, wouldn't Canada be better off being a neutral country dedicated to healing the World, trading freely and strategically for the betterment of all man?

Cleaning water

Promoting bilateral fair trade

lifting the fortunes of those less fortunate

You know, we could do it....
LOL, I really love idealists.

No matter what bs our politicians spout plus the even greater bs our academics feed students, Canada is a client state that exist totally at the pleasure of the U.S.A.

For the U.S to take us over,it would take one phone call to Ottawa.

Hope/doubt it will ver happen although the look on the faces of our elites would be really worthwhile to see.

American water standards are stricter than ours.

CANADA restricts trade far more than the USA. We can't even accomplish free trade between Provinces.

Lifting the fortunes etc?

Their is way less poverty worldwide than at any time in history. And to rub the salt in mon ami, it has originated in, and been spread by Capitalism(yikes!).
You say we could do it(?)
Canadas entire economy is roughly the size of Californias. In addition the drunken idiot spendthrifts in Ottawa are ringing up debts which will handicap our ability to do much at all.

So, no, we can't do it.

BTW unicorns and tinker belle are fictitious characters to.
 

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We are the big buffer space situated between the two most powerful military nations on Earth. We can declare our neutrality but we will never be so.
 

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With our resources and our know how, wouldn't Canada be better off being a neutral country dedicated to healing the World, trading freely and strategically for the betterment of all man?

Cleaning water

Promoting bilateral fair trade

lifting the fortunes of those less fortunate

You know, we could do it....
Indeed we would be better off and the world would be better off.

Canada can no longer act as a neutral thanks to our bizarre participation in the war on terror or whatever the hell they call it.

We gave away the credibility it took generations to accumulate in order to play cowboy.

A horrible repudiation of the values this country fought and died for.
 

Murphy

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Silly boy. I think you should spend more time reading, so that you can form your own opinions.

It's nice that you have a favourite teacher, but he would tell you it's better if you develop the skills to think independently.
 

Gilgamesh

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Indeed we would be better off and the world would be better off.

Canada can no longer act as a neutral thanks to our bizarre participation in the war on terror or whatever the hell they call it.

We gave away the credibility it took generations to accumulate in order to play cowboy.

A horrible repudiation of the values this country fought and died for.
We would also be better off if we were all immortal billionaire porn stars.

Grow up.

Ahh, good point Pangloss, somehow that side of it escaped me- tho the response could be a lot different- sanctions, maybe devaluing currency, but open warfare shopuld pretty much be taken off the table- we should keep a military force of some kind but it really should be tailored to extractions and engineering abroad and overall continental defence, NOT invasion or occupation.

So maybe "Neutral" isn't quite the proper term, but perhaps a form of isolationism is more what's being proposed

A real bad "sticking point" you'd run across right at the outset would be cries of "communism" tho- to truly fix up what we have going on in our country, a lot of big changes would have to occur- f'rinstance, our government should do some form of "repatriation" of our assets (I know there's a better term but it is escaping me in this heat) Other countries should in NO way be allowed to own parts of ours for ANY reason. This would immediately bring images of Chavez in Venezuela..

Sadly, I do believe that making each citizen more of a "shareholder" in our country (with "shares" of course being much different than the wall-street type) would be a great idea. As it is, most citizens are getting ripped off by the current system, not benefitting from it, which is why for so many the ridiculous mantra of "spreading freedom" across the globe rings so false- no justice at home means you got no justice to export, after all
Almost all the "ripping off" of Canadians is that done by our governments which are all Left Wing social justice wannabees. That patina is adopted to fool the proletariat who actually are dumb enough to buy into your nonsense.

Our high prices are almost all due to taxes and tariffs imposed by our proven incompetent govts running crony driven make work social programs.

A good example would be our medicare. The most expensive National Health care in the world, which has longer waits, worse patient outcomes than all the others. Why?

Our govts are so corrupt and incompetent that they couldnt organize a booze upin a brewery.

And it shows. I love this country but we are the worlds Northernmost Banana Republic.

A good historical observation.....and one not lost on me.

But before you get out the big guns, just let the Bankers do their job...

We'd be better off if Mother Britain would quit fooling around and get back to her inheritance of developing the commonwealth instead of following the misadventures of prodigal sons.
Anyone thinking that the UK would come to out aid is doing drugs.

As far as this aerie fairie peace loving peace spreading fantasy that Canada will be supposedly spreading, I give you:-
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf". George Orwell


Maybe I misunderstand this site(?) I am beginning to think it is mainly for idealistic 12 year olds.

Peace and lovey wovey dovey toyou all :)

Indeed we would be better off and the world would be better off.

Canada can no longer act as a neutral thanks to our bizarre participation in the war on terror or whatever the hell they call it.

We gave away the credibility it took generations to accumulate in order to play cowboy.

A horrible repudiation of the values this country fought and died for.
Exactly what is bizarre about waging a war against Islamofascist terrorism.

BTW 'bizarre' is an inappropriate wordin this case.

FTR historically both Christianity & Islam were brutal killers.

Two things to remember. One, the crusades were a reaction to Islamic brutal expansion.

Second, the Christian fundamentalism and brutality were leavened by the Reformation and the Enlightenment.

Thus they stopped slavery (still acceptable & practiced in many Islamic nations.

We changed for what most of us would consider to be for the better.

Islam hasn't. So once again I must ask, what is wrong withwaging a war on a faith that condones beheading, FGM, rape, killing gays etc..

BTW look up the decades long 'Rotherham U,K scandal'.


Of course you are free to disagree. Just hope you dont move in next door.
 

Gilgamesh

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With our resources and our know how, wouldn't Canada be better off being a neutral country dedicated to healing the World, trading freely and strategically for the betterment of all man?

Cleaning water

Promoting bilateral fair trade

lifting the fortunes of those less fortunate

You know, we could do it....
Canada exists solely at the pleasure of the U.S.A.

We are a client state and will never be 'neutral'. We are too weak and powerless to be anything else.

The. U.S.A as a superpower leaves much to be desired, but would you rather be a client state of Russia or China?

Too many of us have a vastly over-inflated idea of Canadas global stature.

The man says, "we could do it".

The USA would likely approve publicly but in fact nothing would change.

Fairies and unicorns. Some people live in cloud-cuckoo land.

Canada would never get annexed by the US. Why? Because the British, and other Commonwealth countries such as Australia, would declare war against them.

The US couldn't touch Canada without risking British nukes hitting Washington DC (we all know that some of Britain's nuclear weapons are pointing right at the American capital city right now).

It'd also give us the opportunity to burn the White House again. It was too easy to do last time. We want a challenge the next time it happens. It'd be good to fight wars against the Americans when they are using proper weapons rather than pitchforks.

And considering that the British are renowned for beating numerically superior foes (the French at Agincourt, the French and Spanish at Trafalgar and the Germans at the Battle of Britain) you shouldn't bet against the British in a war against the US if they decide to invade Canada.
Canada would never get annexed by the US. Why? Because the British, and other Commonwealth countries such as Australia, would declare war against them.

The US couldn't touch Canada without risking British nukes hitting Washington DC (we all know that some of Britain's nuclear weapons are pointing right at the American capital city right now).


ROFLMAO X 1000.

Whatever you are smoking or drinking, I'll have some too please.
 

taxslave

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Silly boy. I think you should spend more time reading, so that you can form your own opinions.

It's nice that you have a favourite teacher, but he would tell you it's better if you develop the skills to think independently.

Unlikely. Teachers like the mindless because they are easier to mold.

Canada exists solely at the pleasure of the U.S.A.

We are a client state and will never be 'neutral'. We are too weak and powerless to be anything else.

The. U.S.A as a superpower leaves much to be desired, but would you rather be a client state of Russia or China?

Too many of us have a vastly over-inflated idea of Canadas global stature.

The man says, "we could do it".

The USA would likely approve publicly but in fact nothing would change.

Fairies and unicorns. Some people live in cloud-cuckoo land.


Canada would never get annexed by the US. Why? Because the British, and other Commonwealth countries such as Australia, would declare war against them.

The US couldn't touch Canada without risking British nukes hitting Washington DC (we all know that some of Britain's nuclear weapons are pointing right at the American capital city right now).


ROFLMAO X 1000.

Whatever you are smoking or drinking, I'll have some too please.

You might but I don't think I want anything that dangerous in my body. Could be Tide pods.I hear that is all the rage with kids these daze.