Shining a Light on First Nations Poverty

[Machjo]

I grew up there. It's an awesome place, but I bet it's changed since I was a lad.

What a coincidence! So you're Algonquin?

I'd been in touch with the Algonquin Nation for awhile discussing funding options. For the record, I'm not Algonquin myself, but I'd been looking for a quality self-instruction book and dictionary. I could find nothing of the quality needed to learn it alone (which would be the only way under my circumstances). So in the end, I'd given up looking for such resources and started looking into contributing to some kind of fund to create resources in the Algonquin language. That's how I'd eventually come across the Algonquin Nation online and learnt of their efforts to incorporate so that they could establish funds for the language.

 

[CDNBear]

What a coincidence! So you're Algonquin?

Nope. Onondaga, my grandfather was given a home there (When his land in Kidd Creek Ont. was expropriated by the gov't and sold to Texas Gulf), by an Elder he served with in WWII.

I'd been in touch with the Algonquin Nation for awhile discussing funding options. For the record, I'm not Algonquin myself, but I'd been looking for a quality self-instruction book and dictionary. I could find nothing of the quality needed to learn it alone (which would be the only way under my circumstances). So in the end, I'd given up looking for such resources and started looking into contributing to some kind of fund to create resources in the Algonquin language. That's how I'd eventually come across the Algonquin Nation online and learnt of their efforts to incorporate so that they could establish funds for the language.

Bon chance.

 

[DaSleeper]

I grew up there. It's an awesome place, but I bet it's changed since I was a lad.

I was wondering how close that is to where my father and mother were Married: 7 JUN 1920 in Wolfe Lake, Pontiac County, Quebec......
I just cant seem to find it on a map.....


Edit: Found it, I had to look for it in French "Lac des Loups"...

 

[Goober]

What do you think are my beliefs about first nations? I would like to know.

This may help remind you. And your numbers are bogus.
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Are we spending too much money on First Nation Issues?

http://tinyurl.com/y9tpk4

With over $6 billion in transfers for First Nations and Aboriginal peoples (bringing total federal spending in this area to some $9 billion, not including anything the provinces might kick in annually. There are approximately 733,626 first nations people in Canada. This makes the amount per first nations man, woman, and child, about $12,267.00, or $49,068.00 tax free, for a family of four. I know the native people don't get this money but it is being spent/wasted, squandered, on their behalf.

Does anyone else think this kind of spending on one group of people is extreme?

 

[taxslave]

This may help remind you. And your numbers are bogus.
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What everybody forgets is that about 60% of all program spending is used up administrating the program. So of $9Bn less than $$4Bn gets to the band level. The waste continues at this level with the only differences being on how corrupt the band management is. Having worked on a number of reserve projects I have noticed huge differences in the way they are run. SOme are very good while others make the NDP look good.

 

[Machjo]

What everybody forgets is that about 60% of all program spending is used up administrating the program. So of $9Bn less than $$4Bn gets to the band level. The waste continues at this level with the only differences being on how corrupt the band management is. Having worked on a number of reserve projects I have noticed huge differences in the way they are run. SOme are very good while others make the NDP look good.

Hey, I was an NDP member for a year, active for about a week, way back when I was young and ignorant. Now leave my once-beloved party alone

 

[Goober]

Hey, I was an NDP member for a year, active for about a week, way back when I was young and ignorant. Now leave my once-beloved party alone

The McCoys Live-I've Seen The Light - YouTube

 

[Dixie Cup]

Cdn Bear - would getting rid of Indian Affaris help? I really don't understand why things are set up the way they are, especially now-a-days. Let the people own their land, get rid of the "reserves". It really ticks me off that in 2013 we're still dealing with Treaty issues, funding and poverty issues. What is the solution. I hate the fact that the aboriginals are treated like kids rather than a functioning group unlike any other.

Just want to know....

 

[taxslave]

Hey, I was an NDP member for a year, active for about a week, way back when I was young and ignorant. Now leave my once-beloved party alone

I've been trying to leave them alone since the first time they fukked over BC back in the 70's. Unfortunately they just keep hanging around looking for an opportunity to create mayhem.

 

[Machjo]

Cdn Bear - would getting rid of Indian Affaris help? I really don't understand why things are set up the way they are, especially now-a-days. Let the people own their land, get rid of the "reserves". It really ticks me off that in 2013 we're still dealing with Treaty issues, funding and poverty issues. What is the solution. I hate the fact that the aboriginals are treated like kids rather than a functioning group unlike any other.

Just want to know....

Jean Chretien's infamous White Paper of 1969, titled Indian Policy, when he was Minister of Indian Affairs tried to do just that. The Indian Association of Alberta (which has since merged into the Assembly of First Nations) responded with its so-called Red Paper, titled 'Citizens Plus' in 1970. Essentially, the impression I got is that they don't mind mutual integration whereby all Canadians integrate into a larger Canadian identity on equal terms, but not asymmetrical 'integration' merely as a code-word for assimilation. To just remove the Indian Act, however flawed as it is, would leave them vulnerable to laws and a constitution that are clearly assimilationist in intent. Many defend the Indian Act not because they like it, but rather because at least it provides a bulwark against what they perceive as a worse fate. Kind of loike being stuck between a bad option and a worse option, so they defend the bad one knowing full well how harmful it is.

I've been trying to leave them alone since the first time they fukked over BC back in the 70's. Unfortunately they just keep hanging around looking for an opportunity to create mayhem.

At at least their intentions were good. Does that make you feel better?

 

[captain morgan]

At at least their intentions were good. Does that make you feel better?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

 

[petros]

Speaking of pavement. One of the biggest things holding FN males back from working is not having a driver's license.

Simple, seemingly meaningless barriers like that are part of a big picture.

 

[Machjo]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

But it creates a warm fuzzy feeling on the way down.

 

[captain morgan]

Speaking of pavement. One of the biggest things holding FN males back from working is not having a driver's license.

Simple, seemingly meaningless barriers like that are part of a big picture.

Interesting suggestion with a number of complicating factors that I am imagining

But it creates a warm fuzzy feeling on the way down.

Suit yourself... But with respect, please don't drag me along for the ride

 

[petros]

Interesting suggestion with a number of complicating factors that I am imagining

In SK FNs can get free driver training to get their licenses as an initiative to get them into the workforce.


Great idea.

REGINA – Something as basic as getting a driver’s licence could help natives find jobs in Saskatchewan, according to a joint government-aboriginal report.

The report by the three-member task force makes 25 recommendations to improve education and employment outcomes for First Nations and Metis people. One recommendation is that the province should fund driver education training for Saskatchewan students attending schools on reserves.

“Well, if you don’t have a licence, you can’t work,” said task force chairman Gary Merasty.

“It’s absolutely critical. I can’t think of any job virtually in Saskatchewan that does not require a licence either to get you to work or as part of your duties.”

Drivers’ licences could help aboriginal employment | iPolitics

 

[captain morgan]

I am wondering if there is a self-fulfilling prophecy at work here in that having little or no income eliminates the potential to acquire a car

 

[Machjo]

I am wondering if there is a self-fulfilling prophecy at work here in that having little or no income eliminates the potential to acquire a car

Most probably. It's that catch-22 one sometimes find with education. You need a job to go to school, you need to go to school to get a job. Probably the same idea with buying a suit or a car.

 

[petros]

I am wondering if there is a self-fulfilling prophecy at work here in that having little or no income eliminates the potential to acquire a car

Is that why mine have been stolen 5 times?

 

[captain morgan]

Taking a big risk using a stolen car as a daily driver

 

[#juan]

This may help remind you. And your numbers are bogus.
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If you don't like my numbers, show me yours. With the amount of money spent on aboriginal issues, there should not be people living in poverty. Maybe the chiefs should stand up and tell us where the money is going. If more money is needed, it should be found. Nobody should have to live in poverty.