Probably because you do enough squawking about it for 50 of us. lol Besides, I doubt you'd remember anyone else squawking. lol
Sentenced to 12 years in slave concentration camp
- Thread starter Kreskin
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Exactly, NK SAYS the girls were caught in NK. The NK has been known to go as far as Japan to kidnap girls and bring them to NK. SK isn't very freakin far from NK. So does anyone really know the girls were ACTUALLY on NK soil? Doers NK has "No Trespassing" signs up every 50 feet along the border? Seems to me, subjecting a couple people to 12 freakin years of stalag-type conditions is pretty harsh for a minor infraction like unintentional trespass, if that's what it was.
I think if it were me, I'd pull troops out of Iraq and build a wall around NK, tell Il if he doesn't hand em over, he can starve. The a$$hole isn't going to quit pulling crap like this until someone tells him "enough".
So... The gvt traffics in women, do they? Got a link that conclusively confirms this statement or is it super-extra-top-secret-classified? Hell, why didn't these women just call up you and Kreskin to get these answers.. They could have saved themselves a 12 year holiday in N.Korea.
Talk about getting a grip... You and Kreskin somehow have this belief that these women didn't do anything, in any manner that even remotely invites any element of responsibility in this event.
'Til that day comes, you 2 can rail at all the inequities in life and how poor, wee little (insert name of victim here) isn't to be held responsible for anything that they've done...
The big irony in the very argument that you feel is appropriate to absolve these 2 women from assuming responsibility fro their actions could be used by Kim Jong Il to absolve him of his actions.... But I'm guessing that your logic will conveniently change when it comes to him.
Captain, why don't you show us some proof that these women actually crossed into NK territory? You demand proof from everyone else so why don't you put up.
Saw this in a doc:
There's a small building which straddles the border between North and South Korea. Inside is a table where the various govt. reps go to discuss shyte.
Two NK guards are placed at their door, and two SK guards at theirs.
The SK guards are told never to enter the building alone, as some have been snatched by the NK's.............
Given that, I can believe the NK's might have snatched the ladies from the SK side of the border, but, can it be proven? If it can, they should be released.
If, however, they boogied on into NK, knowing their ass was grass if caught, well; sorry, yer doin the time. Which they probably won't as they will probably die long before 12 years is up.
The NK's are gonna push it a bit too far sometime, and there might be just a smoking crater north of the 38th. Too bad millions of innocents will die; faster than they are now, being starved, etc.
If they start chucking nukes around, hope "we" get the first one in.8O
There's a small building which straddles the border between North and South Korea. Inside is a table where the various govt. reps go to discuss shyte.
Two NK guards are placed at their door, and two SK guards at theirs.
The SK guards are told never to enter the building alone, as some have been snatched by the NK's.............
Given that, I can believe the NK's might have snatched the ladies from the SK side of the border, but, can it be proven? If it can, they should be released.
If, however, they boogied on into NK, knowing their ass was grass if caught, well; sorry, yer doin the time. Which they probably won't as they will probably die long before 12 years is up.
The NK's are gonna push it a bit too far sometime, and there might be just a smoking crater north of the 38th. Too bad millions of innocents will die; faster than they are now, being starved, etc.
If they start chucking nukes around, hope "we" get the first one in.8O
I'm of the opinion that no matter what they did it is not an excuse for a government to commit crimes against humanity. You're of the opinion that you don't need evidence to justify a government practising crimes against humanity. It's you that needs to get a grip.
Crimes against humanity?... What a joke... Go back and read any article on this subject and compare that to YOUR interpretation thereof....
All of the articles I've read suggests these women will be sequestered in 'labour camps'... Somehow, in your mind, that translates into 'torture camps'.. From torture camps, it morphs into camps rife with 'crimes against humanity' including, but not limited to rape.
Let me ask you this Kreskin: Exactly - I mean exactly - how do you know this? Have you personally spent time in a North Korean labour camp? Have you ever been to North Korea? How about South Korea in the demilitarized zone - been there?
Go and read the title of this post and tell me that you have any form of special knowledge that makes you an authority... Clearly you are not, so please don't expect me to believe all of the unfounded an dunsubstantiated allegations of crimes against humanity, torture and abuse that you alledge...
"Sentenced to 12 Years in Slave Concentration Camp"
... My ass...
This is an act of extortion by a pathetic demented insecure misfit Kim Jong-il
Hes people are dieing from starvation and this pathetic f face thinks he is some one the world should stand still when he apears. Some one should put that f down.
Hes people are dieing from starvation and this pathetic f face thinks he is some one the world should stand still when he apears. Some one should put that f down.
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This is an act of extortion by a pathetic demented insecure misfit Kim Jong-il
Hi people are dieing from starvation and this pathetic f face thinks he is some one the world should stand still when he apears. Some one should put that f down.
I have an issue with you insulting the "Dear Leader's" handsome mug.
Are you always this naive? Read up on the woman who spent 3 years "sequestered" for singing western songs. Read any writings by survivors of North Korean labor camps. Look into it a bit before being a pompous ass.
I'm interested in knowing who's judicial standards you would wish to see applied in NK.
.... So, the short answer to my question about the degree of your personal expertise in commenting on the North Korean penal system is that you have none.. Ops, pardon me, you did mention that you read some accounts of 'survivors'... Wow - I guess that this makes you an expert, qualified enough to call a jail a 'slave concentration camp rife with human's rights violations and rape'.
In the event that you are not familiar, there is another word for these 'survivors'... That word is convicted felon.
Interesting juxtaposition, isn't it?.. If we use that word in your sentence: "Read any writings by convicted felons of North Korean labor camps"
Well, it doesn't have as much punch any more, does it?
I mentioned earlier that I don't suffer fools very well... You're really testing my capacity to do so.
I'll ask you the same question again... How do you know?
The reality is that you don't and as such, you are not in the position to judge their system.
True, NK has previously abducted people from outside their borders. So has the US:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2982640.ece
Trial over 'CIA-led' kidnapping of Egyptian cleric to continue, Italian judge rules | World news | guardian.co.uk
Doesn't make it right, but I'm curious if anyone cares to express outrage regarding US cross border abductions?
No doubt NK's penal system is harsh. Here is what Amnesty International says about it:
North Korea
Nasty, but I doubt it includes rape, otherwise AI would have mentioned it.
I'm sure the same people who are outraged by NK's barbaric treatment of their prisoners are also outraged by these country's penal systems:
Egypt:
What do you have to say about this Obama?
Israel and the Occupied Territories:
Obama?
Saudi Arabia
Obama?
Meanwhile, I doubt these American reporters will see a NK labor camp or be ill treated. More likely they will be well treated and used for propaganda and bargaining purposes.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2982640.ece
Trial over 'CIA-led' kidnapping of Egyptian cleric to continue, Italian judge rules | World news | guardian.co.uk
Doesn't make it right, but I'm curious if anyone cares to express outrage regarding US cross border abductions?
No doubt NK's penal system is harsh. Here is what Amnesty International says about it:
North Korea
Nasty, but I doubt it includes rape, otherwise AI would have mentioned it.
I'm sure the same people who are outraged by NK's barbaric treatment of their prisoners are also outraged by these country's penal systems:
Egypt:
What do you have to say about this Obama?
Israel and the Occupied Territories:
Obama?
Saudi Arabia
Obama?
Meanwhile, I doubt these American reporters will see a NK labor camp or be ill treated. More likely they will be well treated and used for propaganda and bargaining purposes.