Self-deception.

Twila

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Then how do you explain suicide?

How many "attempts" are successful contrary to what the person intended? Lots. Deep depression changes the chemistry of the brain. A properly functioning brain would not allow a body to die, if it can help it.

This is why it's call the Instinct to survive. Try and stop breathing for good. Can't be done.
 

Unforgiven

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Self deception leads to advantage otherwise absent. Denial of competitive instinct is an unnatural handicap in anything capable of abstract thought.
 
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MikeyDB

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Mankind is and always has been at war with himself.
Evolution equipped Homo sapiens with self-awareness. Simultaneously, a human being can experience the world around him/herself and understand this awareness as part of a “presence-of-being”. The cognitive process of “being” an independent agent capable of influencing and directing behaviours and activities toward an idealized “better” or “purpose”.
With an enlarged brain case and meat to fill it, mankind was by necessity developing the ‘means’, the cerebral ‘wherewithal” to identify and recognize/appreciate humankinds specific particular and critical (in terms of “survival”) limitations.
“Beliefs”, ‘belief systems’ emerged not from the soil that gave rise to life itself, but the mental construct of “awareness”.
Humankind; a sentient organism capable of experiencing existence in the reflection and influence of life and substance found around him. Through his senses and his awareness of this experience humankind “collected” information. He learned those lessons from nature that every living creature with a central nervous system learns and adapts too, or is “selected for extinction” on the basis that the failure to adapt to the environment that contains and in fact makes “life” (as we know it) possible, results in death/failure.
Key to human survival was creation of various social organizing principles. Self-organizing communities like bees and ants form colonies and social structures, which are both defined and signified by pheromones, and particular and specific behaviours. Humankind employs artificiality and promised “intention”, forceful coercion and threats to his/her fellow human beings.
I’m not going to step you through the past few billion years with the details, but rush to some general observations…of this particular time on the continuum.
The Industrial Revolution changed the developmental direction of human industry and morals.
Agrarian societies (civilizations) remain involved with everything around them as participant while technology permits civilizations to “evolve” into observers.
Mechanization yields enhanced “production”, and is so powerful in its own “right” that those profiting most through control of who produces what…influence the mental process of billions of people. The truly terrifying reality of this condition is of course, is that this control is found frequently throughout human history, in the hands of those least compelled to consider anything or anyone else’s existence. A self-interest that can spawn megalomaniacs Imams, mass murderers’, potentates and pontiffs.
Societies dependent on a reliable local supply of the necessary food and water to sustain reproduction were compelled/influenced, “conscious” that their bond with the soil and all life around them was an interrelationship that would not sustain over-indulgence. Either this became a part of their culture and folklore, “understanding” of the nature of existence, or they perished. Nomadic peoples (those moving to the next supply of food and water) spread far and wide and this movement is both inevitable and emergent in our world today.
Tribalism is the oldest social organizing principle.
Tribalism relies on mutuality cooperation and behavior of all members toward common principles and values. It would appear that nothing enhances influence more than attributing causality to a force an entity a being a creator etc. than acquiescent willing “believers”.
Whether the intention is to ‘seek’ rainfall for a bountiful harvest, or appeasing an irate but entirely imaginary supernatural consciousness by carving the heart out of a willing (and sometimes not-so-willing) supplicant, these means to controlling behavior are impositions on the “natural” state of being of human beings. Artificial rationales for bankrupt performance.
‘Influence’, or the facility opportunity and means to effect change directly on so large a number of people has never existed before and with this effort to sculpt favorable opinion, elicit passion and enthusiasm for “causes” and further “business opportunities”, came religion.
Either it, “religion” the availability to allow definition of what it is to be a human being {the ‘system’, the motivation, the usefulness of this behavior to survival} will remain or it won’t. There is no doubt regarding the survival of its practioners.





 

MikeyDB

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Sorry for the font size folks I still haven't gotten Word and the forum to cooperate...
 

Northboy

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[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times][FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]Food, clothing and shelter -- these are the basic needs. Beyond that, if you want anything, it is the beginning of self-deception.[/FONT][/FONT]


Or...

In the life journey of activity required to build a system of perpetual rightful livelihood, untold Wisdom can be learned..

The teaching may in part be in the doing.


If we are to find the Middle Way.

Graham.
 

Sal

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The last part of his paragraph said "want" not need. Surely people want things beyond what they need to survive. In my opinion only having what you need to survive is a pretty miserable life.
Actually you are correct he did say "want".
 

Sal

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Try to go beyond .....if you're capable.
That applies also to your second post
I think I'll just pass on you China.
I did try, I even thought there was a ray of hope. *squish*

Hope you find what you are looking for.
 
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hermanntrude

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the problem with the word "need" seems to be that it requires clarification. Humans only "need" certain things to stay alive, but they "need" an awful lot more to be able to prevent themselves from going insane or growing up incapable of certain "normal" tasks.
 

Curiosity

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In addition to the basic essentials of staying alive, mankind needs communication, acceptance, belonging and the practice of exchange with others.

*If left in solitude, humans regress - in companionship humans explore and expand their world.

*(note: Sal - a humble rendition of Maslow's heirarchy)...
 
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Outta here

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China,

I find myself surprised at your initial assertion in your OP. I've read so many thought provoking posts from you delving into understanding the human psyche.... I believe that's what Maslow was referring to when he labeled the highest rung on the hierarchy of needs "self actualization" - and I'd have thought you would be well aware of that as you appear to spend a great deal of time and thought endeavoring to discuss the very issues associated with self-actualization. I'd also have thought that you of all people, would recognize the nurturance of said psyche as an actual need as well.

Food, clothing and shelter will assure a certain degree of physical well being, but I contend that without spiritual, mental or some sort of positive community/societal/familial influence, we would be less than animals. Even they display the meeting of such needs through their interactions - they play, express affection, protect, and bond. Since animals are generally not considered to be consumed with purposeless pursuits, I think we could look to them to demonstrate where the difference between need and want lie in this regard at least.

Studies have proven that deprivation of certain "needs" can result in extremely dysfunctional development. For a little light reading on the subject you might try here or here.

Some investigation into your own claims might open your mind to other points of view on this subject.

I think Maslow was onto something myself.​

 
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