Sciense is a religion by itself.

Dexter Sinister

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Your statement reminds me of a quote from Albert Einstein:

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Yes, he did say that alright, according to the sources I can find quickly, or more correctly he wrote it, in a personal letter to a philosopher named Eric Gutkind, but Einstein did not mean by "religion" what most people use the word to mean. He was completely irreligious in any conventional sense and was always quite plain about that, though various religiously inclined people keep trying to claim him as one of their own because of remarks like that and his famous "God does not play dice..." criticism of quantum theory. In its proper context, he uses religion in that quote to mean the sense of awe and wonder he experienced in contemplating, and trying to figure out, the nature of the cosmos. It had no theological content for him, it's just a metaphorical shortcut. A lot of scientists use such metaphors in their popular works--Stephen Hawking and Paul Davies come immediately to mind--and I really wish they wouldn't, because those words have widely accepted meanings in common usage that are not what the scientists mean. It confuses people like Socratus.

What is the name of this tree ? .
Knowledge.

Philosophical debates / discussions about science's ideas, about religion's ideas, about metaphysical ideas
without physical laws and formulas is a market's talk.
What on earth do you mean by a "market's talk?" The phrase means nothing to me, but the burden of that remark more generally, that we can't talk about ideas of any sort without bringing in physical laws and formulae, strikes me as false.

I hear you Bill, we got sh*t in school for misspelling more difficult words than that.-:)
This isn't school. Cut the guy some slack, he's already confused enough.
 

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What on earth do you mean by a "market's talk?"
The phrase means nothing to me, but the burden of that remark more generally,
that we can't talk about ideas of any sort without bringing in physical laws and formulae, strikes me as false.
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Market's talks: By Beauty it is beautiful.
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About 2500 years ago Plato wrote:
‘. . by Beauty that beautiful things are beautiful . . .
by largeness that large things are large and larger things larger,
and by smallness that smaller things ate smaller . . . .
. . . by tallness one man is taller than another . . .
. . . . and the shorter is shorter by the same ; . . . . .’
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Now in physics the concept of truth is stay on basis of math beauty.
Going by such beautiful mathematical way we have many
paradoxes in physics. Why?
Because every ‘math beauty’ must have its own concrete
physical and geometrical parameters.
Without these precise physical details we have a pure mathematical
game and many paradoxes in physics.
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The Universe ( as a whole) is a Double World: next to Matter World
( a few % of whole mass of Universe) exist Vacuum World
( with more than 90% of whole mass of Universe).
Question:
How can the more than 90% of Vacuum Mass in the Universe
(dark mass, dark energy, quantum virtual particles, particles of ideal gas)
create a few % of Matter Mass, which give possibility to many scientists
and philosophers to say that God doesn’t exist ?

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The Universe ( as a whole) is a Double World: next to Matter World
( a few % of whole mass of Universe) exist Vacuum World
( with more than 90% of whole mass of Universe).
Question:
How can the more than 90% of Vacuum Mass in the Universe
(dark mass, dark energy, quantum virtual particles, particles of ideal gas)
create a few % of Matter Mass, which give possibility to many scientists
and philosophers to say that God doesn’t exist ?

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Nothing exists outside the universe, separate from it. Therefore, if god exists it is the universe. All things are interconnected. As above, so below. We are made of the same stuff as the universe and (if it exists) god. The universe would be the body of god. There is no separation. We would then be a microcosm of the universe/god.
 

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I must be asking for a tenth time ....who / what is god .Many of you are using this word so I really would like to know how and where does the word fits and what does it mean when you are using it in your letters .
Thanks in advance for your exp.

nature

Most scientist are people, people are subject to error, science is a grand tool. Scientists can easily become religious when they are confined within the ruling conventions. If you don't believe that then cast your gaze upon the giant Cern Cathedral which to date has discovered nada zip squat scratches on film how to get more funding
 

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Nothing exists outside the universe, separate from it.
Therefore, if god exists it is the universe.
All things are interconnected. As above, so below.
We are made of the same stuff as the universe and (if it exists) god.
The universe would be the body of god. There is no separation.
We would then be a microcosm of the universe/god.
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The Seven Hermetic Principles
The Seven Hermetic Principles (For Manifesting) - Hermes Trismegistus - YouTube
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Can these Seven Hermetic Principles be explained
by physical laws and formulas ?
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About that philosophy of science we are talking
if we don't know : what the vacuum is,
what the quantum particle is ( they say it is math point),
what an electron is (electron has six formulas and many theories)
what is the reason of 'dualism of particle' ? . . . . etc

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The Seven Hermetic Principles
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1. The Universe is something Intellectual.
2. As above, so below.
3. From potential to active existence.
4. Everything in the Universe can vibrate.
5. Everything in the Universe has its cause.
6. Everything in the Universe has its opposite.
7. The Universe has its own rhythm.

/ Hermes Trismegistus /
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Plato – world of ideas.
Leibniz - monadas.
Kant - thing-in-itself
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Is it possible to explain the 'philosophy of idealism '
using physical laws and formulas ?
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darkbeaver

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The Seven Hermetic Principles
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1. The Universe is something Intellectual.
2. As above, so below.
3. From potential to active existence.
4. Everything in the Universe can vibrate.
5. Everything in the Universe has its cause.
6. Everything in the Universe has its opposite.
7. The Universe has its own rhythm.

/ Hermes Trismegistus /
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Plato – world of ideas.
Leibniz - monadas.
Kant - thing-in-itself
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Is it possible to explain the 'philosophy of idealism '
using physical laws and formulas ?
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I don't think so, love hasn't been explained with physical laws and formulas yet even after all these eons. Of course I'm just guessing . What does blackhole Hawkings say?
 
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What does blackhole Hawkings say?



A black hole can be Vacuum. / My opinion /
1.
A black hole has a temperature within a few
millionths of a degree above absolute zero: T=0K.
/ Oxford. Dictionary./
2.
A stellar black hole of one solar mass has a Hawking
temperature of about 100 nanokelvins. This is far less
than the 2.7 K temperature of the cosmic microwave background.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
3.
Previous Picture of the Day articles about black holes suggested that
the terminology used to describe “gravitational point sources”
is highly speculative: space/time, singularities, and infinite density
are abstract concepts, precluding a realistic investigation into
the nature of the Universe.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/04/10/black-flares-2/
/ Apr 11, 2012. Black hole theory contradicts itself.
By Stephen Smith /
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My heretical idea:
The ‘black hole’ with thermodynamic temperature about - –--> T= 0K.
is itself a Homogeneous Energy Vacuum: T=0K.

‘ Physicists say the event horizon of a black hole
is boundary between two worlds.’
/ / Book: Stephen Hawking. Pages 116.
By Michael White and John Gribbin. /

Between which two world is this border ?
I say:
T=0K is the border between two World: Vacuum and Matter.
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Personally,
I think you people should ditch the consciousness-altering substances
and try thinking without "aids".


It is easy for you to think in such way . . . (without "aids" ).
But I was training by modern physical logic.
For example they taught me:
The universe is consist of quantum particles.
One day all these quantum particles were pressed together
in a 'singular point' by some power. But after some time they felt
themselves uncomfortable and separated as a 'big bang'.
In this way we can understand the existence.
It is very logical theory.

And if somebody didn't understand me I can explain
the modern point of view on existence in the other words.
You was born because your mother was pregnant,
and your mother was born because you was pregnant.

Now, try to prove that my thought and my teachers are illogical.
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darkbeaver

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It is easy for you to think in such way . . . (without "aids" ).
But I was training by modern physical logic.
For example they taught me:
The universe is consist of quantum particles.
One day all these quantum particles were pressed together
in a 'singular point' by some power. But after some time they felt
themselves uncomfortable and separated as a 'big bang'.
In this way we can understand the existence.
It is very logical theory.

And if somebody didn't understand me I can explain
the modern point of view on existence in the other words.
You was born because your mother was pregnant,
and your mother was born because you was pregnant.

Now, try to prove that my thought and my teachers are illogical.
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Mr Gibson is very independent, he never even uses a pencil, his motto is screw the crutches. I see nothing wrong with herbal aids myself. I have been convinced of an electrical discharge in the form of a large plasmoid/annode (at the center of this and the other galaxies) so the vaccumm theory escapes me entirely.
Mr Gibsons mother was born because Gibson was pregnant. I can understand that, Gibson represented unrealized positive slightly future potential which was satisfied/equalized breaching the time parradox at speeds slightly faster than infinite. This could attrack some interest/money Socratus. I got a little money let's write a paper and then make the movie.

I read somewhere that the microwave background is in fact the microwave forground of our own solar system. We can't see(microwavably) thru the local interference, cha ching buddy got paid anyway.
 
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socratus

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The Newtonian world cannot exist without Quantum world
and vice versa.
We cannot separate the Quantum theory from Classical theory,
the Quantum world from Newtonian material world.
The quantum world as real as the physical matter world and
we need understand and celebrate their unity.
Where is problem ?
The problem is, that we don’t know how to unite them together.
Why ?
Because we don’t know what Quantum world is and it is almost
impossible for us to believe that It can be Aristotle’s metaphysical world.
Where is the key to solving this problem ?
The key has name. Its name is ‘ Quantum of Light’.
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‘ All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?'
Nowadays every Tom, **** and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken. ‘
/ Einstein /
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