Sciense is a religion by itself.

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Book: What is your dangerous idea?
/ Edited by John Brockman /
Article:
Seeing Darwin in the light of Einstein;
Seeing Einstein in the light of Darwin.
/ by Lee Smolin. /
===.
/ Page 115 /
Seeing Einstein in the light of Darwin suggests that
natural selection could act not only on living things
but on the properties defining the various species
of elementary particles.
/ Page 117 /
We physicists have now to understand Darwin’s lesson:
The only way to understand how one out of a vast number
of choices was made, which favors improbable structure,
is that is the result of evolution by natural selection.
/ Page 117 /
Now the only possible way of accounting for the laws of nature,
and for uniformity in general, is to suppose them results of evolution.
/ Page 118 /
And I believe that once this is achieved, Einstein and Darwin
will be understood as partners in the greatest revolution
yet in science, . . .
/ Lee Smolin. /
http://www.leesmolin.com/
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Questions.
1
On which biological level is possible to use phrase:
Darwinian natural selection, Darwin’s evolution ?
2
On which biological level does consciousness appear ?.

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According to Harold Morowitz a structure of single cell
has 10^12 bit of information
But cells are not in the one and same state, they are different
then another cell has another 10^12 bit of information . . .
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The estimate for human cells in the human body is about 10^14.
The number of cells in the body is constantly changing,
as cells die or are destroyed and new ones are formed.
It means that bits information also constantly changing.
Can this unity between information and cells be chaotic ?
No, we are called this process:‘self organizing‘.
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About ‘self organizing ‘.

It is amazing to me, that some can use the term "self organizing"
without shame, to describe mindless objects, in arguments that
claim that the universe lacks both mind and self.

There just appears to be these massive blank spots
in the thinking of those who wish to see this universe
as containing nothing but mindless objects, denying the existence
of self, while at the same time describing evolution as self.

It is an inversion of reality, they describe and not reality.
They would contend that the stone blocks of the pyramid,
self organized themselves into a complexity that exceeded
the complexity of the blocks themselves.

I am sorry, reality really does not work upside down
and backwards, even imagining it does, requires self-deception.

/ By Da Blob /
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Belief . . . from history of physics.
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Many years Max Planck was attracted with the
absolutely black body problem.
If quantum of light moving with speed c=1 falls in the area of
absolutely black body and does not radiate back, then “ terminal
dead “ will come. In order to save the quantum of light from ‘death ‘
Planck decided that it is possible that quantum of light
will radiate back with quantum unit (h ), (h=Et )
This unit does not come on formulas or equations.
Planck introduced this unit from heaven, from ceiling.
Sorry. Sorry.
Scientists say: Planck introduced this unit intuitively.
They say: Planck introduced unit (h) phenomenologically
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Phenomenology.
1.
the movement founded by Husserl that concentrates on the
detailed description of conscious experience, without recourse
to explanation, metaphysical assumptions, and traditional
philosophical questions
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/phenomenologically
===…
So. Planck discovered the quantum of energy / action
‘without recourse to explanation, metaphysical assumptions,
and traditional philosophical questions’.
Many years Planck tried to find rational explanation for his unit
but without success.
We can read that unit (h) is an ’inner’ impulse (spin) of particle.
But what ’inner impulse’ means? We have no answer.
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There are 1000 books and millions articles about
‘philosophy of science’ but how can I believe them
if they didn’t explain me ‘what quantum particle is’.
Our today’s belief in science is similar to the past belief
in religion: ‘ I believe because it is absurd.’
/ Tertullian. (ca.160 – ca.220 AD) /
( in science – big bang,
in religion - God create woman from Adam’s rib.)
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Belief . . . and string theory.
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But your question really is "what does a physical particle look like?"
My answer is that they look like strings. But I have to admit that
strings are still concepts in the regime of metaphysics..
. . .
So string theory IS my religion.
/ Richard Ruquist /
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I cannot believe in string theory as a religion.
Why?
Because:
1
Book ‘ The trouble with Physics’ / by Lee Smolin /
Part 8. The first superstring revolution.
Page 126 – 127.
‘. . . the growing catalog of string theories meant that
we weren’t actually studying a fundamental theory.’ . . .
‘ . . . but the many versions of string theory opened up
the possibility that it was true of essentially all the
properties of the elementary particles and forces. This would
mean that properties of the elementary particles were
environmental and could change in time. If so, it would mean
that physics would be more like biology, in that the
properties of the elementary particles would depend on the
history of our universe. ‘
#
‘ . . . at least one big idea is missing.
How do we find that missing idea?’
/ Page 308. Lee Smolin. /

2
String theory . . . . ‘ Type IIA strings as one-dimensional
objects, having only lengths but no thickness, . . . . . ‘

/ page 311. Book: The elegant Universe. By Brian Greene /

3.
We don't know what we are talking about"
/ - Nobel laureate David Gross referring
to the current state of string theory ./

4.
How did the idea of many dimensions arise?
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It began in 1907 when Minkowski tried to understand
SRT and invented 4-D negative spacetime continuum
Nobody knows what Minkowski 4-D really is.
#.
Poor young Einstein, reading Minkowski interpretation,
said that now he couldn’t understand his own theory.
Th. Kaluza agreed with Einstein and in 1921 tried
to explain SRT using 5D space.
This theory was tested and found insufficient.
"Well", said physicists and mathematicians,
" maybe 6D, 7D, 8D, 9D, 11D or 27D spaces will explain it".
And they had done it.
But………. But there is one problem.
To create new D space, they must add a new parameter.
Because it is impossible to create new D space without
a new force, a new parameter.
And they take this parameter arbitrarily
( it fixed according to they opinion, not by objective rules).
The physicist R. Lipin explained this situation in such way:
"Give me three parameters and I can fit an elephant.
With four I can make him wiggle his trunk…"
To this Lipin’s opinion it is possible to add:
"with one more parameter the elephant will fly."
The mathematicians sell and we buy these theories.
Where are our brains? Where is the logic?
#
If we don't know what 1+1 = 2
how can we know what 5+4 = 9 ?
And if we don't know what is negative Mincowski 4-D
how can we understand 11-D, 27-D and string theory ?
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If I were a king, I would publish a law:
every physicist who takes part in the creation
of 4D space and higher must be awarded a medal
"To the winner over common sense" because they have
won us using the abstract ideas of Minkowski and Kaluza.
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus.
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What are we talking about ?
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a) We don't know what 'virtual particles' are,
b) we don’t know what electron is,
c) we don't know what water is,
d) we don't know what entropy is,
e) we don’t know what inertia is,
f) we don’t know what ‘string theory ’ is . . . . . etc . . . . etc.
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a)
The concept of virtual particles are . . . 'an approximation scheme'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle

b)
why electron has six (6) formulas and many theories ?
Nobody knows.

c)
"Water is still not fully understood, although it is the basis
of our existence. I expect more surprises to be discovered
in the future."
/ SLAC scientist Anders Nilsson. /
#
"In my view, the work on water is yet another example of the
actual complexity of matter, this time within a simple liquid.
Modern X-ray work appears to be triggering a new understanding
of liquids and we may have only seen the beginning of a paradigm
shift in our understanding."
/ Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Laboratory director Jo Stöhr. /

http://phys.org/news134058290.html -- June 30, 2008

d)
Entropy.
1.
Henry Poincare named the conception of "entropy "
as a " surprising abstract ".
2.
Lev Landau (Dau) wrote:
" A question about the physical basis of the
entropy monotonous increasing law remains open ".
3.
Nobel laureate in chemistry 1909 Wilhelm Ostwald
wrote that the entropy is only a shadow of energy.
4.
The mathematician John von Neumann said to
"the father of information theory" Claude Shannon:
" Name it "entropy" then in discussions
you will receive solid advantage, because
nobody knows, what "entropy" basically is ".

e)
Inertia.
Someone wrote:
“ An old professor of mine used to say
that anyone who can answer that question
what inertia is , would win a Nobel Prize. “

f)
Book ‘ The trouble with Physics’
‘ . . . at least one big idea is missing.
How do we find that missing idea?’
/ Page 308. Lee Smolin about ‘ string theory’. /
=..
What are we talking about ?
We are talking about so called 'philosophy of science'.
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. Socratus
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science of philosophy ? I think we have been doped and duped into belief in an end and then further duped into belief that we might get there first ahead of the universe/nature. Clay is about as fundamental as we need to get according to the old guys, dust is mentioned frequently as well. Water of course is manufactured (processed from native resources) here on earth same as the oil and most other stuff. Water is magic anyway you look at it. The big idea is electric water. That's a guess by the way.
 

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Everybody creates his God according to his own image and spirit
If triangles made a God they would give him three sides
/ Charles de Montesquieu . Persian Letters, 1721 /
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There were people who said ‘God ‘ and thought about Zeus.
There are people who say ‘God ‘ and think about Holly Cow.
If physicists made a God they would give Him concrete physical parameters.
Can God create a Universe which physicists could not understand ?
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Yup. The Universe is beyond comprehension of any and all men. God is a figment of human insecurity. The Universe created itself. How could mere man comprehend infinity? Humans have only developed an over inflated ego that thinks it can understand even physics.
 

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Yup. The Universe is beyond comprehension of any and all men. God is a figment of human insecurity. The Universe created itself. How could mere man comprehend infinity? Humans have only developed an over inflated ego that thinks it can understand even physics.


I disagree, slightly. The sun is not a figment of my insecurity nor are the other blobs of light in the circuit.

"God is a figment of human insecurity" I would agree more if we could say that most of the explanations about God are figments of human insecurity. This is not the case with the sun and it's cohort which fits exactly the principal meanings for The God as omnipotent etc. God is the beginning and the end and everything in between. What is the problem with that picture?

 

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I disagree, slightly. The sun is not a figment of my insecurity nor are the other blobs of light in the circuit. [/FONT]
"God is a figment of human insecurity" I would agree more if we could say that most of the explanations about God are figments of human insecurity. This is not the case with the sun and it's cohort which fits exactly the principal meanings for The God as omnipotent etc. God is the beginning and the end and everything in between. What is the problem with that picture?


OK, the Universe is God and all the ones man invented are figments of his insecurity. My, you are picky this morning Beav. :p
 

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Yup.
The Universe is beyond comprehension of any and all men.
God is a figment of human insecurity.
The Universe created itself.
How could mere man comprehend infinity?
Humans have only developed an over inflated ego
that thinks it can understand even physics.


The Universe is beyond comprehension of any and all men.
Cliffy

" The most incomprehensible thing about the world
is that it is comprehensible."
/ Albert Einstein /

God is a figment of human insecurity.
Cliffy

I don’t think that our ancestors were or stupid or liars
or insecurity. I think that they were very near to the nature
and their feeling and research on the nature through ages
came to us in such books as ‘ Veda’ or ‘ Tao Te Ching’. . . .

The Universe created itself.
Cliffy

The Universe was created by physical laws.
The Universe and its physical laws was created before man.
As Einstein said: physicists have freedom to solve
the well made crossword of Universe.

How could mere man comprehend infinity?
Cliffy

Infinity is the cause of the crisis in Physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity

Why is Infinity the cause of the crisis in Physics?
Because we don’t know what infinity is.
The concept of infinite / eternal means nothing to a scientists.
Infinity is no ‘more ‘, ‘ less’, ‘equally’ or ‘similar’.
The Infinity is something that could not be compared to anything.
Considering so, scientists came to conclusion that the
infinity cannot be considered in real processes
and they proclaimed unwritten law:
« If we want that the theory would be correct,
the infinity should be eliminated » . . . by the
' method of renormalization ' . . . . about which Feynman wrote
' using this method we can these infinities sweep under a carpet '
and then Feynman asked:
‘ Who can confirm that the infinity conforms with reality of nature?’
/ Book: The Character of Physical Law. Lecture 7. /
===.

I will try to explain ‘infinity’ as brief and simple as is possible.
=.
There are billions and billions Galaxies in the
Universe, each of which has hundreds of billions of stars.
All these billions and billions Galaxies are divided by space,
which we call ‘ Vacuum’.
This Vacuum is an infinite and eternal continuum.
Why Vacuum is infinite ?
Because the sum of masses of all Galaxies (the cosmological
constant / the critical density ) is as small that it cannot
‘ close’ the whole Universe into sphere and therefore Universe
as whole must be ‘open’, endless, infinite.
Only in some small local parts of this infinite Vacuum continuum
some masses can gather together in an enough quantity to create
stars, planets . . .etc.
Vacuum continuum is not a simple space
Physicists say that in vacuum ‘virtual particles’ exist and they
can appear as real particles. Nobody knows what they are.
Astrophysicists say that ‘dark mass- matter’ in vacuum is hidden.
This ‘dark mass- matter’ is not ordinary matter but ‘non normal’.
They say that more than 90% of the matter in the Universe
is ‘non normal dark mass – matter’.
So, from ‘ virtual particles ‘ and ‘non normal dark matter ’ were
created all billion and billion Galaxies, including our planet Earth
and everything on it, also including you, who reads this email.
And because we don’t know what ‘ virtual particles ‘ and ‘dark matter’ are,
therefore we don’t have answer to the question: who am I ?

Humans have only developed an over inflated ego
that thinks it can understand even physics.
Cliffy

" The most incomprehensible thing
about the world is that it is comprehensible."
/ Albert Einstein /
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They say that more than 90% of the matter in the Universe is ‘non normal dark mass – matter’.

If that is true, then it is normal and matter is not normal.

What I think is that the only constant, the building block of everything, is energy. We are, everything is, pure energy and some, if not all, of this energy is conscious and that what we call physical reality is nothing more than a mass hallucination. That is why I think science is farting in the wind. How can you analyze a hallucination when you think it is real? Both Buddhists and Australian Aborigines say that what we call waking life is a dream and that what we call the dream state is our true reality. I tend to agree. We have became stuck in the dream a long, long time ago and all our philosophical mental masturbation is for naught, because we are focused on the wrong aspect of life.
 

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Sounds like New Age BS to me, Cliffy. If science is just farting in the wind, you have to explain how it manages to be so successful, how it is that all its products, like medicine and tv sets and radios and computers and power distribution systems and all the other bits of technology that surround us and make our lives easier and longer and healthier, work, and they work consistently and reliably. If we somehow lost all our knowledge and had to start from zero again, I've no doubt we'd invent new forms of BS, the same religions wouldn't appear, for instance, but something functionally equivalent almost certainly would, with no more substance to them than the current ones. But science would rediscover the same things it knows now.
 

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Quantum biology: Do weird physics effects abound in nature?

Disappearing in one place and reappearing in another.
Being in two places at once. Communicating information seemingly
faster than the speed of light.

This kind of weird behaviour is commonplace in dark, still laboratories
studying the branch of physics called quantum mechanics, but what
might it have to do with fresh flowers, migrating birds, and the smell
of rotten eggs?
Welcome to the frontier of what is called quantum biology.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21150047
==..

' Long time ago, when the life only began generated
by the chance a molecule had arisen . . . . . .
. . . we are only descendants of these first molecules . . . . .
. . . all living beings on the Earth occurred from one
and the same ancestors on the molecular level.'
/ Book: The Character of Physical Law.
Lecture 4. By R. Feynman /

And somebody said if we give to the simplest molecule
hydrogen enough time then it will become a man
( maybe according to the law of evolution ) .
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The Universe is beyond comprehension of any and all men.
Cliffy

" The most incomprehensible thing about the world
is that it is comprehensible."
/ Albert Einstein /

God is a figment of human insecurity.
Cliffy

I don’t think that our ancestors were or stupid or liars
or insecurity. I think that they were very near to the nature
and their feeling and research on the nature through ages came to us in such books as ‘ Veda’ or ‘ Tao Te Ching’. . . . The Universe created itself. Cliffy The Universe was created by physical laws. The Universe and its physical laws was created before man. As Einstein said: physicists have freedom to solve the well made crossword of Universe. How could mere man comprehend infinity? Cliffy Infinity is the cause of the crisis in Physics. Infinity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Why is Infinity the cause of the crisis in Physics? Because we don’t know what infinity is. The concept of infinite / eternal means nothing to a scientists. Infinity is no ‘more ‘, ‘ less’, ‘equally’ or ‘similar’. The Infinity is something that could not be compared to anything. Considering so, scientists came to conclusion that the infinity cannot be considered in real processes and they proclaimed unwritten law: « If we want that the theory would be correct, the infinity should be eliminated » . . . by the ' method of renormalization ' . . . . about which Feynman wrote ' using this method we can these infinities sweep under a carpet ' and then Feynman asked: ‘ Who can confirm that the infinity conforms with reality of nature?’ / Book: The Character of Physical Law. Lecture 7. / ===. I will try to explain ‘infinity’ as brief and simple as is possible. =. There are billions and billions Galaxies in the Universe, each of which has hundreds of billions of stars. All these billions and billions Galaxies are divided by space, which we call ‘ Vacuum’. This Vacuum is an infinite and eternal continuum. Why Vacuum is infinite ? Because the sum of masses of all Galaxies (the cosmological constant / the critical density ) is as small that it cannot ‘ close’ the whole Universe into sphere and therefore Universe as whole must be ‘open’, endless, infinite. Only in some small local parts of this infinite Vacuum continuum some masses can gather together in an enough quantity to create stars, planets . . .etc. Vacuum continuum is not a simple space Physicists say that in vacuum ‘virtual particles’ exist and they can appear as real particles. Nobody knows what they are. Astrophysicists say that ‘dark mass- matter’ in vacuum is hidden. This ‘dark mass- matter’ is not ordinary matter but ‘non normal’. They say that more than 90% of the matter in the Universe is ‘non normal dark mass – matter’. So, from ‘ virtual particles ‘ and ‘non normal dark matter ’ were created all billion and billion Galaxies, including our planet Earth and everything on it, also including you, who reads this email. And because we don’t know what ‘ virtual particles ‘ and ‘dark matter’ are, therefore we don’t have answer to the question: who am I ? Humans have only developed an over inflated ego that thinks it can understand even physics. Cliffy " The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible." / Albert Einstein / ====..

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" The upper and lower worlds, or heaven and earth, in ancient typology definitely connoted spirit and matter, for the upper are spiritual and the lower are material. The straight idea is: From the head source of Being the creative powers created life in its two aspects of spirit and matter.








LET THERE BE LIGHT--​
ON GENESIS​
by​
ALVIN BOYD KUHN, Ph. D.​
New Lectures on the Ancient Wisdom--No 7.

It has not hitherto been pointed out how fittingly a certain narrative begins with this statement. It is the first thing that God (Life) must do in the work of creation, for by the inherent terms of the creative act the manifestation of any thing can be effected only as the result of the uniting of spirit, consciousness, with matter, or body. The Supreme Being must begin his every creative cycle by splitting his nature into its dual potentiality of subject-spirit and object-matter. He can not bring his hidden self to expression unless he first divides his primal homogeneity and unity, into which he retires during his periods of non-activity, into consciousness and matter. For in his one phase he must be consciousness, in order to know what and how he will create; and in his other aspect he must be matter or substance, to have material to create with. The principle of "bifurcation" of Deity entered largely into ancient religious symbology, because the philosophers knew the formula, - as above so below - the generation process in minute bioforms faithfully depict the larger cosmic procedure. The fission or self-splitting of the nuclei of tiny cells into two halves to reproduce life portrays the grander operations in the heavens and proclaims the universality of the law.

The first verse of Genesis, then, states this initial event, the passing of life from uni-polarity to bi-polarity. Life must first bifurcate into subject and object. The statement must be taken, however, as purely philosophical, with abstract significance only; it does not refer to

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the sky and soil of our globe. Yet again it must be noted that sky and soil are, at their own place and level, a type and a manifestation of the great abstract law just stated. They may be said to be the truth in one grade or locale of its expression.








 

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Quantum biology: Do weird physics effects abound in nature?

Disappearing in one place and reappearing in another.
Being in two places at once. Communicating information seemingly
faster than the speed of light.

This kind of weird behaviour is commonplace in dark, still laboratories
studying the branch of physics called quantum mechanics, but what
might it have to do with fresh flowers, migrating birds, and the smell
of rotten eggs?
Welcome to the frontier of what is called quantum biology.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21150047
==..

' Long time ago, when the life only began generated
by the chance a molecule had arisen . . . . . .
. . . we are only descendants of these first molecules . . . . .
. . . all living beings on the Earth occurred from one
and the same ancestors on the molecular level.'
/ Book: The Character of Physical Law.
Lecture 4. By R. Feynman /

And somebody said if we give to the simplest molecule
hydrogen enough time then it will become a man
( maybe according to the law of evolution ) .
===.


Biology- - Evolutionary biology - - Physics- - Biophysics -
Quantum biology - Evolutionary biophysics on quantomolecular level.
( ! ? )
==.



 

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I still think this thread belongs in the comedy section.

Then you are in the right thread. buddaboom


You'll die laughing at this act too.

Physicists create world’s first multiverse of universes in the lab



Researchers at the University of Maryland, College Park and Towson University are reporting that they have created multiple universes inside a laboratory-created multiverse — a world first.
To be exact, the researchers created a metamaterial — like those used to fashion invisibility cloaks — that, when light passes through it, multiple universes are formed within it. These universes, called Minkowski spacetimes, are similar to our own, except they more neatly tie up Einstein’s theory of special relativity by including time as a fourth dimension.






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