Royal Navy sends attack submarine HMS Sceptre to the Falklands

petros

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I hope you have a fairly dark complexion if you are working down there. Wouldn't want you to go MIA. Who would keep people on their toes around here.
Our biggest expense is security. There are very well armed, well paid men and women who aren't all there that live in the trees and holes in the ground. Most have been to Iraq or A-Stan and were disharged and needed work, injured and in need of work or shipped home for being whack jobs and in need of work.
 

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Our biggest expense is security. There are very well armed, well paid men and women who aren't all there that live in the trees and holes in the ground. Most have been to Iraq or A-Stan and were disharged and needed work, injured and in need of work or shipped home for being whack jobs and in need of work.
I might find having a whack job covering my 6 a little disconcerting.
 

petros

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Quoting Bar Sinister
A few years ago someone (and I forget who) pointed out that there has never been a war between two democracies. Assuming Argentina and Britain are both democracies I see little likelihood of a war.
Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, Hussein, Bush were ALL elected.
 

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I have an excellent source for the feelings of the Argentine's that were forced to fight the Brit's the first time around. And it ain't pretty...lol.

Yeah....poorly trained teenage draftees sent to the islands, starved for clothing, supplies and food which was stolen and stockpiled by their officers.........who often disappeared at the first sight of a British soldier, the unfortunate kids left to fight some of the absolute best troops in the world........

It was a joke. The Argentine Army was next to useless, the navy hid in port after the sinking of the Belgrano, the only Argentine military that was a threat was the airforce....led by the only one of Argentine's Generals who DIDN"T want to attack in the first place.

Now the idiots are looking for a replay....well, not really, just huff and puff I think. They CAN'T be that stupid.
 

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Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, Hussein, Bush were ALL elected.

Yeah sure. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Not elected to lead the country in open free elections, which is the basis of a democracy.........only Hitler and Bush can lay claim to that, and Hitler soon canceled all future elections....Only Bush left his country a democratic state.......in more ways then one! :smile:
 

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I'm not sure I follow you here. Do you mean another war? Or are you quoting someone's quote from before 1982?

Also, I'd like to point out, having been in the RAF during the Falklands War in 1982 and on 6 hours standby, I'm still disgusted at the fact that the only country that provided real support to the UK was Chile.
Chile provided a land base for some of our special forces to come in through the back door as it were.As well as for aircraft.
Which is why, grateful for this, Margaret Thatcher was happy to repay the favour and receive Pinochet in England many years ago for medical treatment. The British public have long memories and didn't forget Pinochet's help, in fact the only foreign help offered and provided. Also they haven't forgotten that the US and Regan didn't provde help when requested, som uch for the Special Relationship. And that France had for years been selling some of the same weapons to Argentina that the UK forces were using AND didn't stop sales during the Falklands War!


I'm done!


Cliffy got it right. Argentina was governed by a junta during the Falkland's
war, and as such it was a dictatorship fighting a democracy. Today with both Britain and Argentina being democracies I don't see much chance of a war. A minor kerfuffle perhaps, as occurred between Iceland and Britain over fishing, but nothing more than that.
 

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Correct on both counts! By no means am I defending him.
But war is war and he helped us. Obviously not out of the goodness of his heart but clearly applying the old adage "My enemy's enemy is my friend" He was doing it for himself in other words.
My post is more, I suppose, a reflection of the anger of the day, felt by the military and public alike, directed towards all our usual allies of the day that neither offered nor provided assistance. YET years later the UK was there to back up the US in both Gulf Wars and in Iraq and in Afghanistan.

James

BS James. Reagan did provide support for the UK during this. The US helped the Brits in altering US MADE Sidewinder missles and other support.

"At the end of the month, Reagan blamed Argentina for the failure of the mediation, declared U.S. support for Britain, and announced the imposition of economic sanctions against Argentina."

The UK easily whipped Argentina and did not need our troops.

"American non-interference was vital to the American-British relationship. Ascension Island, a British possession, was vital in the long term supply of the Task Force South; however, the airbase stationed on it was run and operated by the U.S. The American commander of the base was ordered to assist the British in any way and for a brief period Ascension Air Field was one of the busiest airports in the world."

"Both Weinberger and Reagan were later awarded the British honour of Knight Commander of the British Empire (KBE). American critics of the U.S. role claimed that, by failing to side with Argentina, the U.S. violated its own Monroe Doctrine."

So take that anti-American garbage and stuff it.
 

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So? What did Argentina have? One battleship, basically. What did Britain have?
It'd be easy for me to go into town and start beating up on some 8 year old girl, too. The last time Britain took on a country comparable in size and strength it almost got wasted. Remember reading about WW2? If it wasn't for Canada, the US, etc. chipping in, Britain would have been thumped severely.

At the time the Argies had an aircraft carrier as well. It participated in the initial invasion. Once the General Belgrano was sunk the Argies recalled their carrier and tied it up to the pier. They knew it would end up on the bottom.

The Argies outnumbered the Brits on the ground and the Brits whipped them fairly easily.

You cannot call Britain a bully when it was Argentina that launched the invasion. All britain did was take it back from them.
 

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"The first settlement on the Falkland Islands was in 1764. It was named Port St. Louis and was founded by the French navigator and military commander Louis Antoine de Bougainville on Berkeley Sound, in present-day Port Louis, East Falkland."
----Wikipedia
In 1766, Spain assumed control of the French colony.
 

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I'm not sure I follow you here. Do you mean another war? Or are you quoting someone's quote from before 1982?

Also, I'd like to point out, having been in the RAF during the Falklands War in 1982 and on 6 hours standby, I'm still disgusted at the fact that the only country that provided real support to the UK was Chile.
Chile provided a land base for some of our special forces to come in through the back door as it were.As well as for aircraft.
Which is why, grateful for this, Margaret Thatcher was happy to repay the favour and receive Pinochet in England many years ago for medical treatment. The British public have long memories and didn't forget Pinochet's help, in fact the only foreign help offered and provided. Also they haven't forgotten that the US and Regan didn't provde help when requested, som uch for the Special Relationship. And that France had for years been selling some of the same weapons to Argentina that the UK forces were using AND didn't stop sales during the Falklands War!


I'm done!

Hey James...who did Ireland fight for during WW II?

Not individual Irish men who went to England and fought for the English but who did Ireland as a nation fight for?

I'll save you the trouble... NO ONE. Heck elements in Ireland even supported the Nazis. Any downed German pilots that ended up in Ireland were kept nice and cozy and were allowed to attend college and let out on weekends.

Ireland even had a British POW camp during WWII.
 

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Her Majestys bankrupt country may find it difficult to sustain any further military adventures, especially since its hitherto gutless citizens are finally starting to swing their balls anew. There seems to be no small amount of enthusiasm for a new English Revolution to finally cast off their parasitical over class, which has emptied the treasury fattening bankers con artists and various other white collar dung.
 

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Her Majestys bankrupt country may find it difficult to sustain any further military adventures, especially since its hitherto gutless citizens are finally starting to swing their balls anew. There seems to be no small amount of enthusiasm for a new English revolution to finally cast off their parasitical over class, which has emptied the treasury fattening bankers con artists and various other white collar dung.

Will this come before or after Bush declares Martial Law and cancels the 2008 Presidential Election? :lol: