Ah, would that there were many more like you. I respect and commend you, and I believe your persona here, unlike many, is who you really are. Cheers, and I sincerely hope you find the "reintegration" you mentioned seeking in another thread.
Religious Brainwashing of Children
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Education is part of the police grid and so primarily concerned with reinforcing the prejudices that support the state and in particular the warrant that everyone has a higher authority to answer to, which underlines the argument for authoritative government and limits to liberty.
Cannuck, read the bible and be less ignorant. I have read it. I am not cherry picking: it happens in tons of places in the bible. It is a commandment from God to the people of Jerusalem even. A commandment, yeah that is cherry picking.
I apparently have far more insight than you, who cannot even stick to the point.
Brainwashing is the wrong word. Indocrination might be better.
We indocrinate children into what we believe is right or atleast a better way. But we don't investigate ourselves to see if it is in fact a better way. We just accept that it is and go with the flow.
It's when someone comes along that doesn't simply accept that is where we get into conflict.
A teacher stands in front of the class and let's the students in on the idea that religion is bull. People get angry about that because if it is, then they are in fact wrong in just about everything they thought they knew. Being that wrong means that you're simply not that bright. And so, it's a common reaction to meet such criticism with anger. After all, you have been really quite insulted.
We indocrinate children into what we believe is right or atleast a better way. But we don't investigate ourselves to see if it is in fact a better way. We just accept that it is and go with the flow.
It's when someone comes along that doesn't simply accept that is where we get into conflict.
A teacher stands in front of the class and let's the students in on the idea that religion is bull. People get angry about that because if it is, then they are in fact wrong in just about everything they thought they knew. Being that wrong means that you're simply not that bright. And so, it's a common reaction to meet such criticism with anger. After all, you have been really quite insulted.
I had a conversation once with my Mom. Her being Catholic. Talking about religions like the Jehova's Wittness how they bring people in and brain wash them.
My reply was "the only difference between them and the Catholic is being born in that religion. You're still brain washed "
She was stunned a bit but couldn't refute it either.
Bringing children in religion is wrong IMO
My reply was "the only difference between them and the Catholic is being born in that religion. You're still brain washed "
She was stunned a bit but couldn't refute it either.
Bringing children in religion is wrong IMO
As I have pointed out, this was a witch hunt. Can anyone truly ask that teachers have no personality while they are teaching? These are people that are in front of students lecturing for over 20 hours a week. Imagine that somebody tapes you during all this time and rakes over all of your comments with a fine toothed comb looking for one phrase where you either a) bashed some religion or b) endorsed some religion. For someone who is either very religious or very offended by some religion it would be quite easy. Asking that one not use your position as a soap box is reasonable but asking that employees never show any personality is just destructive to the public school system.
This is what has happened. The children were not being mocked, heck, he was bragging up a theological school at one point, but when one takes the comment out of context it looks bad.
Even the "Jesus glasses" comment was taken out of context and deemed fair in the end. Joseph the Second is known for abolishing a terrible legal system and putting a more equitable one in its place. He granted full legal freedom to serfs, and those serfs hated him. Why? Because they felt that it was irreligious what he was doing. They were socially and economically bettered, but felt no love or thanks for the person responsible because of religious reasons.
I will admit that he has a strong anti-christian viewpoint and that it does come across in his editorial choices, but he is nothing other than a sacrificial lamb. One gets the impression that the courts do not want to appear anti-christian and so feel the need to sacrifice one person who is. Even the judge describes it as de minimis, meaning lacking significance, but feels that this right is too significant to allow escape.
This is what has happened. The children were not being mocked, heck, he was bragging up a theological school at one point, but when one takes the comment out of context it looks bad.
Even the "Jesus glasses" comment was taken out of context and deemed fair in the end. Joseph the Second is known for abolishing a terrible legal system and putting a more equitable one in its place. He granted full legal freedom to serfs, and those serfs hated him. Why? Because they felt that it was irreligious what he was doing. They were socially and economically bettered, but felt no love or thanks for the person responsible because of religious reasons.
I will admit that he has a strong anti-christian viewpoint and that it does come across in his editorial choices, but he is nothing other than a sacrificial lamb. One gets the impression that the courts do not want to appear anti-christian and so feel the need to sacrifice one person who is. Even the judge describes it as de minimis, meaning lacking significance, but feels that this right is too significant to allow escape.
Of course there is. You have ignored the entire new testament. Thanks for proving my point but really, I think things would be better if folks like you didn't do that. I think things would be much better if I was wrong on this one.
If anybody is interested...
New Covenant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jesus and the New Covenant
http://www.brow.on.ca/Sermons/NewOld.htm
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Someone is wrong. We are all wrong because none of us knows everything. Being wrong isn't a problem if you are open to the idea that you are wrong and allow yourself to learn things.
The teachings attributed to Jesus sound very Buddhist like. There is evidence that he may have spent some time in India during those 18 missing years. He may have also spent time in Persia and Egypt. He would have spent his time there studying their scriptures. His teachings tend to reflect the religious ideas he would have encountered there.
To me, the old testament should have been scrapped two thousand years ago as irrelevant. I would also disregard anything that Paul wrote as political nonsense. He was empire building and just about everything he had to say had nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.
To me, the old testament should have been scrapped two thousand years ago as irrelevant. I would also disregard anything that Paul wrote as political nonsense. He was empire building and just about everything he had to say had nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.
I think it's best just to put ALL the theories out there and let the kid decide, if he/she wants to- (there's no rush to decide, I haven't made up my mind yet and I have the Gold card :lol::lol::lol
Nobody should be TELLING anybody anything.I think it's best just to put ALL the theories out there and let the kid decide, if he/she wants to- (there's no rush to decide, I haven't made up my mind yet and I have the Gold card :lol::lol::lol
But children HAVE to be told to fear god and praise Jeezus! It is our moral duty. How else are we going to control those unruly little buggers?
Again, they'd damn well better not be told anything of the sort in any government required class that is supposed to be about something else.
If an institution like the schools, which possess authority over the children and the parents due to government decree that children MUST attend, decides it's okay for your children to be forced to sit and listen to editorializing (as Gilbert so eloquently put it) of an evangelical nature, when in good faith you sent your child assuming that they would be getting an education on the curriculum only, then there is a problem. And it works both ways.
To sit and compare a parent deciding their child's path, with forced government interaction, is a flawed comparison. And while it seems to tickle your fancy to mock religion at every turn of a conversation, it just comes off nonsensical as it pertains to the conversation.
What do you expect me to do, cite the whole Bible every time I want to say something about it? It does say precisely what I indicated, and there's no context to take those words out of, they just appear in a list of rules for correct behaviour. The Bible is deeply inconsistent, including on that very point, whether the Old Testament laws still apply or the new covenant supercedes them. You can find citations in the New Testament that support both positions. Read it again and think a little more deeply, and note in particular that the references you provided do not resolve the issue.
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:lol:You know if we made science the new religion it might clear up the controversy and we could contemplate the passages of the Saint Hawkins and Holy Father Eienstien in peace with decent gravity.
karrie,
My point is that nobody should be force feeding children anything, parents, schools, priests or ministers. Religion should not be brought up until they reach the age of reason and then it is up to them to seek input. Brainwashing is brainwashing no matter who does it to them. Beyond raising a healthy child, parents do not have the right to mold their children in their own image. We are caretakers not owners.
Children need to find their own way, learn from their own mistakes, learn how to be critical thinkers. Besides, if you have teens, you know that sooner or later they will rebel against any and all authority. It is part of growing up. Force feeding them religion will have the opposite effect in the end.
My point is that nobody should be force feeding children anything, parents, schools, priests or ministers. Religion should not be brought up until they reach the age of reason and then it is up to them to seek input. Brainwashing is brainwashing no matter who does it to them. Beyond raising a healthy child, parents do not have the right to mold their children in their own image. We are caretakers not owners.
Children need to find their own way, learn from their own mistakes, learn how to be critical thinkers. Besides, if you have teens, you know that sooner or later they will rebel against any and all authority. It is part of growing up. Force feeding them religion will have the opposite effect in the end.
Beav, I do believe you are on to something... or is that on something? :-?;-)
Keep on keeping on!