Religious Brainwashing of Children
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I agree, forced government interaction is not what they should be doing with our money. And definitely, it works both ways. But fox news has, as usual, painted this story badly.
Consider a more neutral topic, say, baseball. If the teacher was a huge baseball fan, wouldn't you imagine that at some point your child would be exposed to some baseball related anecdote? That the teacher would not make or use metaphors concerning baseball or said by famous baseball players? Is this unacceptable? Shouldn't a person who should be a mentor be allowed to expose a bit of their own character? Or do we want computers(robots) teaching our children?
That is what is going on here, in this particular lawsuit. Some teacher let his personality leak out when he was justifying refusing to allow another teacher space in the school newspaper. I sat through many lectures with people that would let things like, "Jesus is the light," slip out, and I never (and to this day) thought anything of it and wouldn't think of taking someone to court for it.
I agree 100% that a teacher shouldn't be allowed to say regularly in class the sort of things I, for instance, say in this forum. That would be attrocious. But this man was convicted for letting a single three word comment slip out that can be seen as disparaging of religion and the judge saw no secular purpose to it; "Creationism: superstitious nonsense." The judge even said that it can be portrayed as insignificant, but that the right at stake was so significant that this one blemish could not go unpunished.
I believe in secularism. I agree completely with the point you are making about children not being force fed life views. However, I think James Corbett is not the poster transgressor people are painting him to be: one comment, that is it.
Well, I was out of town...
I think the real problem is creationism even being discussed in classes. It isn't science, it's religion. Religion shouldn't be the topic in science class anymore than it should be in math class. When someone says, "well my parents said God created the world" the answer from the science teacher should be something along the lines of "that's a religious belief and I'm not here to teach about that... science says blah blah blah".
I also think people are too sensitive. I spend tons of time hearing about others' religious beliefs, they hear about mine (or lack thereof) and no one gets out of hand or offended. Live and let live.
I don't want you to do anything. I just think that you should have a basic understanding about what the bible is and isn't before you start quoting it in an attempt to support your position.
That's the way it should be. I guess teachers are human and sometimes their personal views are bound to leak out, though.Well, I was out of town...
I think the real problem is creationism even being discussed in classes. It isn't science, it's religion. Religion shouldn't be the topic in science class anymore than it should be in math class. When someone says, "well my parents said God created the world" the answer from the science teacher should be something along the lines of "that's a religious belief and I'm not here to teach about that... science says blah blah blah".
Yup. People are people, if one is sensible, one can have friends of any faith or non-faith.
Ask a person that is religious about how everything began and they'll name gods. Ask someone knowledgeable about science and is not religious and they'll say "I don't know, but there are a few hypotheses about it".
I am still guessing there was no beginning because I am convinced that nothing can come of nothing.
The best teachers can do is keep religion out of science classes and explain that they have opinions but opinions aren't fact.
I am still guessing there was no beginning because I am convinced that nothing can come of nothing.
The best teachers can do is keep religion out of science classes and explain that they have opinions but opinions aren't fact.
I didn't ask what you wanted, I asked about your expectations. I know perfectly well what the Bible is and isn't, I've been studying and thinking about it for decades. It appears we disagree on what it is and isn't.
...and I told you. Here let me quote it...
I'm sure there are probably some folks who might actually believe that. Of course those same people would probably believe me if I said I'm the Pope.
Look, posting that you've study the bible and "thought about it" for decades is pretty meaningless when it follows posts that highlight how little you know about it. Talk is cheap you know.
Yes, you'd certainly know that, wouldn't you. Is it beyond your comprehension that anyone could have spent much time in thought and study of such a large, complex text as the Bible, including the text itself and scholarly examinations of its origins and history and meaning from both secular and religious sources, and come to different conclusions than you have? It's far from obvious what it all means, and there's a great deal of disagreement about what it means, even among people who've studied it far more deeply than you and I have, as the links you provided a few posts ago indicate. They do not, in fact, support the point you were trying to make.
I believe that Cannuck. I'll bet that in a bible quiz you would not get one answer before him. You are useless enough to be a pope though.:smile:
I believe in God, and am willing to consider that the Bible is the word of God. However, I also believe that science must be accepted and that we need to try to understand the Bible within that context. Clearly, if science has a strong argument for evolution, then we need to take another look at the Book of Genesis, as it may have a deeper spiritual significance expressed through alegory, symbolism, etc, and not as a literal account.
Of course we'd have to abandon superstitious fundamentalism to be able to do that.
Of course we'd have to abandon superstitious fundamentalism to be able to do that.
The whole book is allegory and metaphor. Taking it literally, it just doesn't make sense. It is so open to interpretation that millions, possibly hundreds of millions, have died over it.
Not at all. I'm pretty sure that more than just a few have. I just wouldn't put you in that class...judging by what you post here.
I bought into the whole thing until I got to the part about Jonah and that friggin' whale....:lol::lol::lol:
I prefer the part where the Earth is flat and is covered by a hemispherical bowl called the firmament that separates the waters from the Earth and sky. By the way, the firmament contains gates which are opened from time to time to let those heavenly waters pour down as rain.
Science schmience!
You've been taking me seriously? Now I understand your confusion over the bible.
In the way of flesh we all know everything there is to know and being wrong or right is being both. It seems to me we educate into a state of ignorance from a state of innocence. If after all the years of experiance you do not consider yourself near completely ignorant then you have learned nothing.