Religion is like a boat
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Well it's good that you understand your just as bat**** crazy as MHz
As for me, I've explored every, Possibility. Anything is possible.
So I've gone back to my original state before I started giving a ****.
Im not pretentious like the rest of you, I think humans are doing exactly what they were intended to do.
The same way snakes where meant to snake, and monkeys are supposed to monkey.
You do?Cliffy said:
I though you said you don't believe in God.
If you had evidence would you enjoy the same benefits those with faith do.
What type of evidence do you seek? A bearded guy sitting on a cloud?
Have you searched beyond a bearded guy sitting on a cloud?
Yup trained in science indeed.
Science is two sided.
Disproving something has the equal weight as proving.
You cannot disproved God anymore than I can provide proof of God.
But because of faith I'm markedly better off physically and emotionally than you even without proof.
Scientifically speaking, I'm better off believing.
Why?
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Really?? Most of the passages can be taken at face value but it is also important to combine it with all the other similar references. Don't try and put your lack of understanding onto my shoulders. Da:7 and Re:17 have two visions and two explanations, you either understand them after reading them a few times of you won't. Plain and simple, rather than take your advice and pretend up something to fill in the blanks I use another passage. On a hit and miss scale you are going to miss more than I will, perhaps that is the bee in your bonnet. With Dex it is pride as he claims to be Mr Science and knows everything about anything. He doesn't like to be shown up, neither do you. Neither do I but I can learn to live with it and move on using updated facts. You and Dex don't have that option so you never will learn anything new and what you were first exposed to is what you accepted and you couldn't possibly have been wrong all these years.
You also had a chance to reply to any of the topics I posted but you choose to do a mocking post while insisting your version is not a flawed one even if you have a hard time explaining any passage on it's own. You two are more like circling the wagons so you don't look stupid since it is a subject both of you have spent some time on and so far it appears to all be a total waste of time and effort on both your parts. The only thing hard about posting to you two is I don't know if I should be laughing or crying at most of your posts, this one especially as you are calling me stupid but cannot point out exactly where that is happening when it come to anything to do with God.
That is how the book appears to you, tough ****.
That's fine, this defence you and Dex is worth examining as it seem to be about as cowardly as it gets. You and Dex dismiss a lot of things I support, for your two to be right there would have to be some topic where you have schooled me or I was trying to pass a lie off and got busted and refused to correct my thinking then or anytime after.
To get the full range you should have a list of topics, do you? I'm thinking not, like you always are. Go ahead introduce a subject, or better yet any passage and we'll see who is schooling who.
Nothing wrong with a bog 'ol anchor as long as you can lift it when you need to.
So Cliffy supporting you is now a point in your favor even though it just means you are both wrong? You are a tad smarter than Cliffy so why don't we do something fun like cover ISIS, who they are and who they are supported by if opening up the book is something you are afraid to do. You promote my belief in God makes me a stupid man so here is your opportunity to show that you excel in all topics. If you could do it over God you would already have posted the material instead of the dribble you have posted after claiming to have superior knowledge
In my opinion the Bible is just a guide.
The authors of the various books, in practically all cases, wrote them hundreds of years after the alleged events happened.
Add to that the difference in translators.
In the end (to me) all that can be drawn is the basic feeling that is God is Love and that I am one of his beloved.
For a long time, I was a very angry atheist. I cannot tell you what changed but I feel safer believing in something than nothing
The authors of the various books, in practically all cases, wrote them hundreds of years after the alleged events happened.
Add to that the difference in translators.
In the end (to me) all that can be drawn is the basic feeling that is God is Love and that I am one of his beloved.
For a long time, I was a very angry atheist. I cannot tell you what changed but I feel safer believing in something than nothing
More or less the bible helps in the day to day but when you encounter a lump in the day today you'll want more than the bible
No doubt the witfull about you can see I've committed myself to your determination in the certainty of salvation, such is the power of belief, I,ve lost my lighter
No doubt the witfull about you can see I've committed myself to your determination in the certainty of salvation, such is the power of belief, I,ve lost my lighter
Did you blame a nonexistent God for the suffering in the world but forgot to laud God the goodness in the world.
That one makes me laugh.
There's no book I'm afraid to open, but you'll have to accept that my understanding of it will be different from yours. ISIS is a an apocalyptic death cult of Islamic fundamentalists who believe they are creating the conditions necessary for Islam's end times prophecies to be fulfilled. As for the rest of that, you're just making things up and projecting them onto me.
I sus ISIS is a an apocalyptic death cult of Islamic fundamentalists Which without Atlantist cash would not exist,
Only a body count will be entertained. It is difficult sometmes.
Only a body count will be entertained. It is difficult sometmes.
Any event for which there is no possible explanation except divine intervention.
I seriously doubt that, but we'd have to meet to establish that and I don't think I want to do that, you come across to me as flippant, sarcastic, and condescending. Though we may have met already without knowing it, I used to work in the mining industry in Saskatoon and that's not a large community.
Ah, it appears you've accepted some version of Pascal's Wager. It's not a sound argument.
Hey, I provided sound evidence faith improves human well being. You wanted science and I gave you the science and you think it's condescending? Have you read your posts? Need quotes?
You can't disprove God, I can't prove God but I'm still at an advantage and it has absolutely nothing in relation to Pascal's wager that gives me that advantage.
Science isn't helping you on this one. Try another angle.
Now if I asked you how you came to that conclusion you would be able to produce a list of documents that follow their history, perhaps as far back as when the original members were given a task of creating terror for the people and armed conflict was the preferred method of achieving some end result.
If any of them were in conflict with this 'fact' whose version would be the one that we both have to go by?
Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen prior to and during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, from 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by the regime of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention.[1] Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[1] Funding continued after 1989 as the mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992).[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
There are 20 more links that I could provide that points to ISIS being crazy because that is what the US is paying them a lot of money to be. (so the US can come to the rescue) Putin even explains who they are and it does not fit the explanation you just provided.
As for the rest of it, no, I'm not making it up and I'm not imagining it either.
Your lack of discussion of the questions isn't convincing me of anything other than you do have a 'doctrine' but exposing it to close examination is not something you are willing to do because any condemnation of it by pointing out flaws would then need to be answered and your knowledge isn't deep enough that you could take it that far. Your only hope is that you think you have a higher IQ so you must be right, nothing else has any effect on that concept.
I believe that is a correct conclusion and summation at the same time. Impressive if I wasn't such a small fish.
No you didn't, you provided a correlation that I've seen before, not proof of a causal relationship. And whether or not faith improves human well being has no bearing on whether or not the beliefs in question are correct.
Well of course ISIS is crazy, all that end times stuff from fundamentalist Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, is crazy, but the number of links you can provide in support of your claims is irrelevant. Anyone can find any number of links in support of pretty much any position at all, there are millions of morons posting all kinds of absurdities and citing each other in support of their nonsense. At least 90% of what's out there is crap, quantity doesn't add up to quality or credibility.
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Well, when you have to justify to yourself that the reason you suck is actually everyone else, but your own fault like Cliffy. You start believing in anything that enables that.
Makes far more sense than any religion out there.
I do have faith.
I have faith we will all die someday. I have faith the govt will never represent the wishes of the citizens. I have faith all religions are designed to control the hearts and minds of the masses by using magic and mysticism to explain unexplainable natural phenomena and promising a better life in some form either present or after death. I have faith that 6 billion people will continue to be fooled by a group of people who claim to be messengers from whatever 'god' they promote. I have faith I will not change the mind of at least 5,999,999,995 of those 6 billion weak-minded morons.
See, I have plenty of faith.
Oh I know...Atheism can't start wars over whose god can beat up the other god and Atheism doesn't ask for 10-30% of your gross income. I don't care if you all convert or not but please at least stop killing people over some imaginary dude in the clouds.