Religion is like a boat
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Religion is a great thing if it's a comfort. When it's a battering ram, it's no better than any weapon of mass destruction
re-legio, binding back, the original bond between you and your inner indestructable non material stuff, a spark of the one, a chip off the old block, we can and will shjt on religion all we want untill we run into it's origins, then it's quite a different subject all together, you are not the meaty container, you are the contained. this I know cus the bible tells me so, EIEIO
There was a time when religion was a spiritual journey now religion is about politics
spiritual part is gone its about judgement its about the money and the mind power and
the individual is a commodity not a person religion is going to hell in a handbasket
spiritual part is gone its about judgement its about the money and the mind power and
the individual is a commodity not a person religion is going to hell in a handbasket
Yes, but that explains nothing and justifies nothing. The reason is simply because in this context that's what the word means, belief without evidence. It's just the word for that particular state of mind.
Faith without proof is what the doubting Thomas story was all about. If the book makes a believer out of you then that is taken into account should you enter the grave before proof of God is available, should a person be inclined to look for s8uch things as being the answer for some 'current events' that the two witnesses can 'perform' for the very reason of showing proof before judgment comes.
The scattering took place in 70AD and that was the start of the time of the Gentiles. Re:11 starts off last 3 1/2 years of that era before the 7th trump sounds and Christ arrives. In those days the two witnesses are said to have powers like Moses had only it lasts the 1260 days they are in Jerusalem.
Nor is it called blind faith if you can point to a specific reference, such as the one below that says if you miss out you only have yourself to thank. Reading doesn't have a time limit or demand you understand the whole story the first time you read the book. If He is smart and we are stupid He would have one shot at writing a perfect guide. Being stupid and imperfect we have to read and contemplate a lot before we understand what the book is about. Once you know that part then you can make a faith decision. If you don't get that far you are still considered to be a 'follower' and they mysteries are removed rather than you don't qualify as a 'believer'. To miss out you would have to have a negative relationship with God that fit one of the 7 Churches. To be a child of the light you have to understand the prophecies as they point to 'way points' of events that must happen first.
Today the Clergy are there to sow disinformation rather than remove any confusion the text causes. That being said it is a subject that could wait until a person is about 30 and then the learning curve is as tight as it gets.
The scattering took place in 70AD and that was the start of the time of the Gentiles. Re:11 starts off last 3 1/2 years of that era before the 7th trump sounds and Christ arrives. In those days the two witnesses are said to have powers like Moses had only it lasts the 1260 days they are in Jerusalem.
Nor is it called blind faith if you can point to a specific reference, such as the one below that says if you miss out you only have yourself to thank. Reading doesn't have a time limit or demand you understand the whole story the first time you read the book. If He is smart and we are stupid He would have one shot at writing a perfect guide. Being stupid and imperfect we have to read and contemplate a lot before we understand what the book is about. Once you know that part then you can make a faith decision. If you don't get that far you are still considered to be a 'follower' and they mysteries are removed rather than you don't qualify as a 'believer'. To miss out you would have to have a negative relationship with God that fit one of the 7 Churches. To be a child of the light you have to understand the prophecies as they point to 'way points' of events that must happen first.
That's why God left a book that is 'complicated' even today. Should the people start looking at it as if it was written to this generation in a way that makes us 'slow on the uptake' and the singular writer taking a style that a father uses with a 3 year old that is stubborn and slow and you have a version that fits the text of the book. He does give you the info but you still have to sort through it at your own speed. That is when you can decide if you have faith in the book or not.
Today the Clergy are there to sow disinformation rather than remove any confusion the text causes. That being said it is a subject that could wait until a person is about 30 and then the learning curve is as tight as it gets.
Smooth sailing?
That is assuming there is no patch for the 'hole'. The return is the most talked about event in the Bible so there is lots of material to 'question' and then you can decide how many holes there are. Apparent contradiction are not like actual contradictions with no solution available.Yep, you poke a hole in it, it sinks!
I said it, and so have a lot of other people whose judgment I respect. What is the evidence? You've been trying to lay it out for us here for years as at least two different users, and it's so compelling that you've convinced everybody that you're right. Right?
Wrong, your evidence and arguments have convinced exactly nobody. And you're not the only one trying it, not even the only Muslim who's tried it, and there are of course a lot of Christian believers here trying it too. There is no compelling evidence. If there were, there'd be a clear consensus on matters of religion, and there isn't. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam can't even get a consensus within themselves, they're all splintered into multiple sects with varying degrees of mutual antagonism. And then there are the thousands of other religions outside the Abrahamic tradition, all of them mutually inconsistent and incompatible. At best only one of them can be right, but it seems overwhelmingly more likely to me that none of them are, and that putting your trust in faith that your particular one is right is a bad idea.
Depends, Jesus promoting dropping out of a congregation if it was corrupt. The Temple was a corrupt place in the era the 4 Gospels cover and this verse would apply more to the Churches of today than the 'get out of her' teaching.
Joh:12:42:
Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him,
lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
The bible and the old earth theory put the end of day 1 as being 4,000,000,000BC and using the same math and the prophecised 1,000 year reign the fire that melts the earth after that can be dated 3.6B years down the road. Not too many cover that aspect of the 'proof' ot that time as we know it was different at the end of day 1 that it was at the end of day 4 which is when it was 'created' in the same form that we recognize today.
Should the earth expand in size of change rotation speed those ways of telling time would need to be updated. You have to be willing to understand the right version before you can make the choice a reasonable person would tend to make. That isn't always an option for all people.
Threats of exile aren't considered to be very severe when the person is a 'loner' to begin with however it does tend to attract the attention of the trolls.
Should the earth expand in size of change rotation speed those ways of telling time would need to be updated. You have to be willing to understand the right version before you can make the choice a reasonable person would tend to make. That isn't always an option for all people.
Threats of exile aren't considered to be very severe when the person is a 'loner' to begin with however it does tend to attract the attention of the trolls.
Let's say God wanted to sow confusion about if He was real or not. The flood is based on one year in the Bible or 360 days (actual time differs) and it is meant to be one year but God is basing that time on the time the last ice age lasted or in this case 360,000 years based on out counting but under a period where 1,000 years is one day that would be a flood that lasted 360 'days'. To further fuk with men's minds God used both, the 'natural ice age' and flood that 'smaller in scale' and only the animals in the garden area in Ge:2 needed to be on the boat.
Science says the oceans rose 400 ft so all the flood stories (almost 300) should be based on facts but at different locations, another way to confuse the minds of men and a way for God to hide His tracks. A Believer would not read that faith is through reading only and then go and dig up half the places mentioned looking for proof. That is what a stubborn 3 year old would do who has a leaning handi-cap. A wise man as far as God is concerned.
And it physically changes you for the better. Why does that frighten you?
A question of faith. Exploiting the placebo effect depends on both the susceptibility of the patient to suggestion and the ability of the doctor to instil trust
Sciencie type stuff proving faith has a heavy impact on us physically.
Just imagine the harm a lack of faith (nocebo) has. Oh wait, you don't have to imagine, you are experiencing it.
(Amanzio & Benedetti, 1999). Benedetti and colleagues have also shown that negative placebo effects, so-called nocebo effects, can cause pain
It must suck balls.
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Yeah, believers always say something like that. Waste of your time and energy, nobody's listening, but thanks anyway, I do appreciate the sentiment that moves you.
