Record DeathToll Dwarfs Bush-Era Casualties

damngrumpy

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I have had my anti American steaks over time but the Afghan situation is not one of them. I too
believe the whole world was attacked on 9/11 the attack was really meant to shock the world.
It was symbolic more than anything else, and as it has turned out it was the opening salvo
of a long and protracted conflict that will last probably for a generation so get used to it.
Neither side will step down anytime soon. I think it will also get a lot worse. Is America partly
to blame sure, just like Britain, France, and while we are at it why not the Roman Empire and
even Mesopotamia under Alexander the Greek. After all Alex waged war in the Middle East as
well. We are not going to change a thing as long as we want the modern conveniences of
life and depend on oil. In addition the Arab World wants to have all the luxuries for a few at the
expense of the many, while saddling them with the guilt of a religion that believes in suffering
here on earth, God they should have all become Catholics.
We have to change our attitudes about our neighbours in the Middle East but by the same token
they have to join the 21st century instead of clinging to some medieval past. The only way to stop
the stalemate is to make these countries stable enough to implement the stability of decent jobs
and middle income earners. In hand with that, the basics of practical education would also help.
At present self isolation is the biggest problem for the Arab World, and their self isolation is not
our fault, it is their own lack of confidence letting their people decide what is best for them through
democracy, and finding their own way as individuals.
For those who want to raise issues, it is not our fault. Yes they have been exploited just like our
natives were exploited, but they are getting over it as well without blowing anyone up, Why is it
that in this country we complain about the restitution for our natives but demand some kind of
political compensation for those in the Middle East.
Here it is, if we are going to get anywhere, we in the west need to apologize for all the things we
did to them, and in turn they, those in the Middle East, must join the rest of the world as a full
partner in world society. Anything short of that expect war for a long time to come. When civilizations
collide there is usually war that is the reality of history. Perhaps I have simplified it too much,
it is more complicated than that, however in the final outcome the solution is as simple as that and we
as humans always make it more complicated than life really is.
 

petros

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We have to change our attitudes about our neighbours in the Middle East but by the same token
they have to join the 21st century instead of clinging to some medieval past.
Does that mean they can utilize their own resurces for their own benefit?

Iraq had/has no religious slant at all. Prior to going to war you could buy a Christmas tree, Playboy and Budweiser all in one stop in Baghdad.
 

mentalfloss

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9/11 was over the moment we took away the right to carry sharp objects on board a plane. Didn't need a war to stop future terrorists from hijacking planes and flying them into buildings. And in the last 30 years we've had billions of flights and probably a billionth of a percentage of terrorist encounters.

And then that somehow that one little incident got tied into taking over Iraq, Afghanistan and the like because our way of life is objectively better. Geez - talk about overkill.
 

JBeee

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"It is exactly that.......although you could say the same thing about Jane Creba on the streets of Toronto....perhaps we should have given her killers a pass, huh?????"....

Difference is, the US deserved 9/11. Had it coming to them. Which is why the world could sympathize with those 19 heros that gave thier lives on that beautiful Sept. morning.

Comparing it to some poor bugger caught in the cross-fire on a city street is ridiculous.




It is exactly that.......although you could say the same thing about Jane Creba on the streets of Toronto....perhaps we should have given her killers a pass, huh?????

However, our treaties with the USA and with NATO are NOT accidental........they are a necessary thread in the fabric of our place in the world.

And they must be honoured.
 

Colpy

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Which is why the world could sympathize with those 19 heros that gave thier lives on that beautiful Sept. morning.

Now THAT is beyond the pale.

Troll.

Moron.

You really are a disgusting, psychologically and ethically shriveled piece of dog excrement aren't you?

And that is an insult to dog excrement.

Along with the fact you are so bloody stupid you can't spell.

Did you graduate from elementary school??
 

JLM

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JBeee;1364196Difference is said:
What sick SON OF A BITCH would heroize 19 thugs for killing 2800 innocent people? 8O

Now THAT is beyond the pale.

Troll.

Moron.

You really are a disgusting, psychologically and ethically shriveled piece of dog excrement aren't you?

And that is an insult to dog excrement.

Along with the fact you are so bloody stupid you can't spell.

Did you graduate from elementary school??

That is more or less what I was thinking but posted more "conservatively", but you said it perfectly. :smile:
 

JBeee

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More than who would be willing to admit?

My guess is most NATO countries leaders, felt a sense of joy and jubilation in thier hearts when it happened, then done a 380 when called upon to kiss Uncle Sam`s ass to avoid possible future retribution from `the most powerfull nation on earth`. lol


What sick SON OF A BITCH would heroize 19 thugs for killing 2800 innocent people? 8O



That is more or less what I was thinking but posted more "conservatively", but you said it perfectly. :smile:
 

Colpy

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More than who would be willing to admit?

My guess is most NATO countries leaders, felt a sense of joy and jubilation in thier hearts when it happened, then done a 380 when called upon to kiss Uncle Sam`s ass to avoid possible future retribution from `the most powerfull nation on earth`. lol

Might I suggest you remove your sorry arse to Afghanistan........where you could throw your infidel self on the tender mercies of the murderous Taliban, while desperately praying for rescue by US forces?

You might learn something.
 

JLM

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More than who would be willing to admit?

My guess is most NATO countries leaders, felt a sense of joy and jubilation in thier hearts when it happened, then done a 380 when called upon to kiss Uncle Sam`s ass to avoid possible future retribution from `the most powerfull nation on earth`. lol

What's a "380"? Anything close to a "20"?
 

CUBert

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Ask me if I'm surprised!!!!! lol

Too much for you to handle.....I see you gave me a bad rating though.......what for?

Writing something so complicated you couldn't understand????

lol


sorry , too much erroneous information
 

Sparrow

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"It is exactly that.......although you could say the same thing about Jane Creba on the streets of Toronto....perhaps we should have given her killers a pass, huh?????"....

Difference is, the US deserved 9/11. Had it coming to them. Which is why the world could sympathize with those 19 heros that gave thier lives on that beautiful Sept. morning.

Comparing it to some poor bugger caught in the cross-fire on a city street is ridiculous.

I rarely join in on such bantering as this thread but I couldn't keep quite on this one.

More often than not I do disagree with US policy but like our own government they don't give a s**t about our opinion. On 9/11 the citizens (the people) bore the brunt of the consequences of the policies of others.

Also I never heard that the world sympathized with these murders because they were never heroes just plain murders.
 

petros

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I'm all for the clearing out of bastardized Muzzie, Heeb and Christian sects anywhere on the planet.

Do what it takes whether it's hire NATO or hire Blackwater or hire KBR or let public "freelance" contractors do the job and then cut the psychological teams loose to erase all bastardized texts and ideals.
 

gopher

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The 9/11 attack was supposedly done by al-Qaeda, not by the government of Afghanistan or its people. Since al-Qaeda has been stopped, there is no basis for continuing the war whose costs continue to climb and nobody has offered to pay for it.