Reality lost in big pipeline debate

[petros]

What they don't tell you is that every pipeline leaks. Some have hundreds of leaks and they never bother to clean them up. That is what people are fighting about, that and oil leaks and disasters at sea. This pipeline is going through some pretty pristine wilderness and will screw it up for many generations to come. If the companies would come clean on the issues instead of trying to snow people with BS, there may not be so much animosity. But that is not the way Big Gas works. It divides and conquers with payola and heavy handed tactics, not to mention a few "suicides" of key players. People are not as stupid as the corps and government would like to think. There is going to be Sh!t to pay if this goes through. I would not want to be out there on the front lines when it hits the fan. Of course, the CEOs will be nowhere to be seen, just some poor Joe Blow trying to feed his family. This situation is one Big Cluster Phuk.

Every pipeline? Pristine wilderness? Right beside the rail line and it's pristine?

 

[Cliffy]

Every pipeline? Pristine wilderness? Right beside the rail line and it's pristine?

I'm going by the word of a friend who has worked in most of the area the line is going through. If the line is following a rail line, why build it at all?

I cannot find a map of the pipeline and how it relates to existing rail lines.

 

[petros]

Pipelines and material used in them have come a loooooong way over the past 20 years. The guys welding them are the best of the best, if they aren't they don't last. Even the slightest of flaws in a weld will be rejected these days. Ask CDNear. He'll fill you in on details of the high standards on today's lines.

 

[skookumchuck]

I don't think there were any native lawyers in 1888. Now there are many, and they know how to use the system against the government. If they want to, and I think they do, they can stop this thing. I hope they do. This si the biggest environmental tragedy in the making since the tar sands and will not bode well for BC or the aboriginal people. We don't need more oil and we don't need this dinosaur technology any more. If we get this crap shoved down our throats, there will be hell to pay in the woods. If you think you have seen eco terrorists in the past, you have seen nothing yet baby. People are going to die over this crap.

In north america eco terrorists have only ever had to go up against corporate infrastructure and "investigators" hamstrung by the law and video cameras.
Would love to watch some of these outmanned and outgunned eco warriors do their chit around some of the compounds in Idaho or Montana, just for example. Those tame kittens have no clue as to what could be waiting........

 

[taxslave]

In north america eco terrorists have only ever had to go up against corporate infrastructure and "investigators" hamstrung by the law and video cameras.
Would love to watch some of these outmanned and outgunned eco warriors do their chit around some of the compounds in Idaho or Montana, just for example. Those tame kittens have no clue as to what could be waiting........

You really thing the ecoterrorists would go somewhere it isn't safe and there is no Starbucks?

 

[petros]

In north america eco terrorists have only ever had to go up against corporate infrastructure and "investigators" hamstrung by the law and video cameras.
Would love to watch some of these outmanned and outgunned eco warriors do their chit around some of the compounds in Idaho or Montana, just for example. Those tame kittens have no clue as to what could be waiting........

Damn straight skookumchuck!
DHS (Homeland Security) just announced today they are forming Environmental Justice Units.

The Green Police are coming for YOU!

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/mgmt/dhs-environmental-justice-strategy.pdf

 

[skookumchuck]

You really thing the ecoterrorists would go somewhere it isn't safe and there is no Starbucks?

It would provide much more entertainment than listening to them brag like heroes on the net if they would. Ordinary folk will one day get tired of lawfare.

Damn straight skookumchuck!
DHS (Homeland Security) just announced today they are forming Environmental Justice Units.

The Green Police are coming for YOU!

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/mgmt/dhs-environmental-justice-strategy.pdf

Haha! Bafflegab, it will take many years to come close to implementing. It takes a few rednecks only minutes ;-)

 

[taxslave]

It would provide much more entertainment than listening to them brag like heroes on the net if they would. Ordinary folk will one day get tired of lawfare.



Haha! Bafflegab, it will take many years to come close to implementing. It takes a few rednecks only minutes ;-)

I went through the wars in the woods. Only reason the terrorists never got killed is because few loggers ever lost a days pay when some welfare bum was hanging in a tree or tied to a bridge.

 

[skookumchuck]

I went through the wars in the woods. Only reason the terrorists never got killed is because few loggers ever lost a days pay when some welfare bum was hanging in a tree or tied to a bridge.

Do you remember here in BC when the bunny huggers tried to screw an outfitters hunts? Blowing whistles, grabbing the reins of a lady's horse. They only tried it once then went back to their welfare checks with their tails betwixt their legs because some guides "accidentally" stumbled into their camp one night........
That used to be how i made my living, as an outfitter, damn guides, you just can't civilize them boogers!:lol:

 

[Kakato]

What they don't tell you is that every pipeline leaks. Some have hundreds of leaks and they never bother to clean them up. That is what people are fighting about, that and oil leaks and disasters at sea. This pipeline is going through some pretty pristine wilderness and will screw it up for many generations to come. If the companies would come clean on the issues instead of trying to snow people with BS, there may not be so much animosity. But that is not the way Big Gas works. It divides and conquers with payola and heavy handed tactics, not to mention a few "suicides" of key players. People are not as stupid as the corps and government would like to think. There is going to be Sh!t to pay if this goes through. I would not want to be out there on the front lines when it hits the fan. Of course, the CEOs will be nowhere to be seen, just some poor Joe Blow trying to feed his family. This situation is one Big Cluster Phuk.

Thats odd,you would think with the thousands of miles of pipeline I have worked on I have never seen one leak and even as my short time as a pipeline inspector....still never saw any failures and not once did my gas monitor go off which I take everywhere.
Pipeline welds are all xrayed and have to pass strict QA tests or that welder wont be working in the patch for long.
One other thing I have noticed is lots of pipeline inspectors were welders at one time.
My whole community lies downwind from one of the worlds most poisonous h2s fields,there has never been any incidents in the 35 years I remember.

 

[taxslave]

Do you remember here in BC when the bunny huggers tried to screw an outfitters hunts? Blowing whistles, grabbing the reins of a lady's horse. They only tried it once then went back to their welfare checks with their tails betwixt their legs because some guides "accidentally" stumbled into their camp one night........
That used to be how i made my living, as an outfitter, damn guides, you just can't civilize them boogers!:lol:

I remember that.
I also saw the pictures that former MLA Barry Penner took of a protest camp on KIng Island. $hit(literarily) and garbage all over the beach. ANd one Eco Terrorist from the US telling him he had no right to be there.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Shipping the oil by train to Prince Rupert seems far easier in so many ways-less chance of spills and track is already built. Perhaps that is plan B. Could be done in a few months. It would be even better if they build a refinery before they shipped it to Asia. Right now we have the corporate agenda at play, public cost/risk, private profit. No go.

 

[petros]

Nope. Not easier. Nope a refinery is pointless.

 

[Tonington]

Life isn't ending Cliffy. When stressed it only diversifies.

So you think no life form on Earth has gone extinct? Interesting. Wrong, but interesting. You may even be able to convince a few dumb asses that what you said is true.

 

[petros]

Has life gone extinct since it first appeared?

 

[Tonington]

Has life gone extinct since it first appeared?

Some has, yes. You may be able to confuse a few dumb asses by ignoring the difference between geologic time, and the time scales humans deal with.

I guess you would tell the Oyster producers in Oregon that they should wait out the acidifying ocean?

Durr. That won't work.

 

[petros]

WTF are you talking about? Either life has been toasted or it hasn't and it hasn't has it?

 

[Tonington]

WTF are you talking about?

You said life diversifies. That's true but it ignores fundamental facts like extinctions. Life does end. It does not "only diversify". I'm not surprised you're confused.

 

[petros]

Yup. Creation from chaos. You wouldn't be here without prior chaos would you? Life does end but it hasn't has it? Wanna keep playing?

 

[Tonington]

Yup. Creation from chaos. You wouldn't be here without prior chaos would you? Life does end but it hasn't has it? Wanna keep playing?

Life in a general term is a long way from where this started. Cliffy said humans were destroying our life support system. You went onto red herrings about life still being here. So what Petros? As a human, I should be concerned if my species ends. In fact I should be concerned far before it gets to that point. Maybe you're just more of a sociopath and don't really care about anything.

Nah, you can take your ball and go home.