RCMP's report on the long-gun registry
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There's a nifty pdf that can clear all that up for you:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/PDF/storage-entreposage-eng.pdf
Well, you know how it is......some people don't bother with things as long as their life is convenient.
Others of us....well, when our constitutional ancient right to keep arms for our defense is violated, when our right to privacy is ignored, when our right to be free from unreasonable search is bypassed, and when our right to remain silent is utterly destroyed..........
When government bureaucrats entrusted with enforcing the law are producing documents that are blatantly deceptive.....
And when the government Ministry of Truth is trumpeting outright lies......
All in an attempt to destroy a culture that has been a part of Canadian identity for centuries....
And when those of us that chose to participate, to indulge ourselves in a perfectly legitimate past time, owning and utilizing arms as is our right, and are treated by the law as less than criminal................given less recourse to justice than your average gang-banger....
Well, some of us roll over and play dead, as long as they are not inconvenienced (heaven forbid!)....
Some of us think a little whining, a little civil disobedience, and a little rebellion are in order......
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
To get a Firearms License, one has to answer questions of a very personal nature about your marriage, your job status, your state of mind.
So much for the right to privacy.
Under the Act, if I ownm "a gun collection" and refuse entry to an "inspector" a judge may issue a warrant to search.....without any evidence of a crime having been commited.
So much for the right to be free from unreasonable search.
When my home is being "inspected" I am ordered by the Act to offer the inspectors in every way, including answering their questions.
So much for the right to remain silent.
No gang-banger need worry about any of the above........thus the claim gun owners are treated worse than criminals.........
AND The Bill of Rights of 1689........part of our Constitution...
Notice that these guys do not pretend that the Bill grants these rights, as rights are not granted by governments, but only that they recognize the existence of "their ancient rights and liberties"
These are Locke's natural rights.....the right to the means of self-defense being one of the primary rights........
I do have the right, recognized by government or not.
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In this case, they are one and the same......but I sense from your refusal to address the points of debate in any reasonable way that you aren't interested in discussion....just a little Sunday night trolling....
Have fun, I don't really have the temper for being your straight man.
To me this comes down to some common sense. The gun registry is a resource not a
fool proof system. The gun registry has never prevented someone from being shot in
this country, it has assisted in giving police an idea of what they are up against. I ask
the important question here. Before the latest version of the gun registry we had all
kinds of laws that deal with the abuse of weapons, being used on other people, we as
a rule call them victims. If we have laws why are they not enforced to the toughest
degree of the law. Would it not be more efficient to institute serious penalties for those
criminals who use weapons to kill others? There is a big difference in this gun
registry and it purpose to curb gun crimes, and registering guns for rural farmers in
remote parts of Canada. There is not just the registry, there are courses and the cost
of a certificate and so on. Some of these people being asked to take a course have been
using guns, long guns and others since before the instructor was born.
Totally useless exercise. I don't own a gun, don't want one but there has to be some
other way than the present waste of money we have engaged in. Could we not contract
all sport clubs and gun ranges to register or make sure the weapons are accounted for
in local communities. That way legitimate owners would not be the subject of heavy
handed government and if there is a problem the weapon is accounted for.
As these groups usually have all the records anyway it would be cheaper, not only that
their instructors could determine who needs a course and who should be granted a
license for a small fee, as the process would be cheaper. Of course something like this
might be closer to community and therefore more accurate.
Like everything else governments go overboard. We have small fishing boats registered
and yes you need a course in some areas. To operate a small fishing boat on the lake?
ATV's yup more and more a course and a license.
If it saved lives I would say yes, but it doesn't and criminals are not part of the system
The law does not enforce the present regulations regarding gun crime.
The whole thing is a botched mess and started by one government and continued by the
next. The reason is urban dwellers want the law and politicians need and want urban
votes. I call the whole thing The song of the dancing bears.
fool proof system. The gun registry has never prevented someone from being shot in
this country, it has assisted in giving police an idea of what they are up against. I ask
the important question here. Before the latest version of the gun registry we had all
kinds of laws that deal with the abuse of weapons, being used on other people, we as
a rule call them victims. If we have laws why are they not enforced to the toughest
degree of the law. Would it not be more efficient to institute serious penalties for those
criminals who use weapons to kill others? There is a big difference in this gun
registry and it purpose to curb gun crimes, and registering guns for rural farmers in
remote parts of Canada. There is not just the registry, there are courses and the cost
of a certificate and so on. Some of these people being asked to take a course have been
using guns, long guns and others since before the instructor was born.
Totally useless exercise. I don't own a gun, don't want one but there has to be some
other way than the present waste of money we have engaged in. Could we not contract
all sport clubs and gun ranges to register or make sure the weapons are accounted for
in local communities. That way legitimate owners would not be the subject of heavy
handed government and if there is a problem the weapon is accounted for.
As these groups usually have all the records anyway it would be cheaper, not only that
their instructors could determine who needs a course and who should be granted a
license for a small fee, as the process would be cheaper. Of course something like this
might be closer to community and therefore more accurate.
Like everything else governments go overboard. We have small fishing boats registered
and yes you need a course in some areas. To operate a small fishing boat on the lake?
ATV's yup more and more a course and a license.
If it saved lives I would say yes, but it doesn't and criminals are not part of the system
The law does not enforce the present regulations regarding gun crime.
The whole thing is a botched mess and started by one government and continued by the
next. The reason is urban dwellers want the law and politicians need and want urban
votes. I call the whole thing The song of the dancing bears.
So, Catholics, Mormons, Hindus, etc etc etc are exempt from these rights? Are you a Protestant Colpy?
I think not!
That's like saying that a country governed by rule of law is the same as a country ruled by law. We are a country governed by the rule of law, not ruled by law. The reason is that we have a distinct and proper legal system founded on certain minimum values, and those are contained in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. If we were to follow Thomas Aquinas, natural law is appointed by reason. But do you want to leave the lawmakers in our country free to run as they would reason? Not I, and if that were the case I would have a cache of weapons myself. Constitutions are more than natural law, they solidify our basic rights and remove them from the whims of whatever "reason" the sitting government might concoct.
