RCMP's report on the long-gun registry
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Somebody is mistaken.
Released Nov. 16, 2007
Backgrounder: The long-gun registry: Costs and crime statistics
No, it was released a little while ago......
Re: RCMP's rhttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/newreply.eport on the long-gun registry
I don't think it does. As I already told you before though, I don't see that as a problem. The DNA registry doesn't prevent crime either, and it's a great tool to have in the kit.
Maybe the politicians said it would prevent crime, I don't think that's true though. I don't think any tool the police have prevents all crime, obviously.
I don't think the registry should be kept because it prevents crime, I think it should be kept because it's a useful tool for solving crimes.
Even the most punitive justice system can't eliminate crime.
I have no idea. What's your point? That it's not useful to know whom the gun involved in a homicide was registered to?
That's stupid.
One wonders how a report published in 2007 could have information on the number of murders using weapons with known registration status between 2003 and 2008...
Curious.
I don't think it does. As I already told you before though, I don't see that as a problem. The DNA registry doesn't prevent crime either, and it's a great tool to have in the kit.
Maybe the politicians said it would prevent crime, I don't think that's true though. I don't think any tool the police have prevents all crime, obviously.
I don't think the registry should be kept because it prevents crime, I think it should be kept because it's a useful tool for solving crimes.
Even the most punitive justice system can't eliminate crime.
I have no idea. What's your point? That it's not useful to know whom the gun involved in a homicide was registered to?
That's stupid.
One wonders how a report published in 2007 could have information on the number of murders using weapons with known registration status between 2003 and 2008...
Curious.
Re: RCMP's rhttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/newreply.eport on the long-gun registry
Ah....it doesn't....it says from 2003 to present. That is late 2007......but unless murder with registered long guns jumped over 1000 percent in 2008, something is VERY fishy in Denmark.
If it did jump 1000 percent, I'd say that is conclusive evidence that registering guns CAUSES murder.....(just kidding)
I could not find your 154 reference in the report....and to be blunt, I'll trust numbers from neutral Stats Canada much sooner that stats from a self-serving, internally generated RCMP report..................
A universal fingerprint registry, national ID cards, a universal DNA registry would all be useful tools in solving crimes.....but they are unacceptable.
Why?
They treat citizens as potential criminals. They are an invasion of privacy, a slap in the face to presumed innocence, and an insult.
And there is the crux of the matter.
Ah....it doesn't....it says from 2003 to present. That is late 2007......but unless murder with registered long guns jumped over 1000 percent in 2008, something is VERY fishy in Denmark.
If it did jump 1000 percent, I'd say that is conclusive evidence that registering guns CAUSES murder.....(just kidding)
I could not find your 154 reference in the report....and to be blunt, I'll trust numbers from neutral Stats Canada much sooner that stats from a self-serving, internally generated RCMP report..................
A universal fingerprint registry, national ID cards, a universal DNA registry would all be useful tools in solving crimes.....but they are unacceptable.
Why?
They treat citizens as potential criminals. They are an invasion of privacy, a slap in the face to presumed innocence, and an insult.
And there is the crux of the matter.
Re: RCMP's rhttp://forums.canadiancontent.net/newreply.eport on the long-gun registry
Fair enough. Suffice it to say, that the number of registered weapons used in murders is not zero...
Fair enough. Suffice it to say, that the number of registered weapons used in murders is not zero...
How is it an invasion of privacy? You're only guilty of something if you don't register it. Seems like a lot of bitching and moaning for something so simple as registration.
Can that information be used for other purposes by the goverment. Of course it can, and that is a potential invasion of privacy. Sometimes to much information is harmful. We may not always have these freedoms we now cherish and rely upon. Big Brother can get out of control.
Interesting development. It turns out that the NRA has been involved in the fight against the long gun registry for the last few years. I wonder how the US would react if any Canadian organization attempted to interfere in US domestic affairs? CBC News - Canada - NRA involved in gun registry debate
Apparently this is a common practice for the NRa in that it also interfered in Brazil when proposals were made there to register firearms.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/opinion/letters/95278674.html
Apparently this is a common practice for the NRa in that it also interfered in Brazil when proposals were made there to register firearms.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/opinion/letters/95278674.html
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NRA has followers all over the world, I'm sure there are enough Canadians (gun clubs etc.) interested in what they have to say or form their own Canadian NRA if they had to. The NRA is not only interested in American gun rights, but world gun rights. As to getting involved in the U.S. take their best shot.
In Canada we have the NFA "National Firearm Association" plus in Ontario, most shooting clubs belong to the OFAH "Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters" and both offer low cost liability insurance for accidents while target shooting and hunting.. (probably low cost because serious people who belong to those organisations are low accident risk)
I also know a few people who also belong to NRA and have for a long time.
I also know a few people who also belong to NRA and have for a long time.
Yep, the damned Canadian Ministry of Truth has suddenly had their intrepid investigative reporters discover after much digging that the NRA is involved in our fight to maintain our freedom.
And presented it in such a wonderfully well-balanced report!
It has ALWAYS been wide open that the NRA was interested and helping us in the fight. Their executives have openly visited and they have held widely publicized speaking engagements to talk about the fight here and in the United States. The insinuation that this is somehow suspect, that there is some problem with this, is ludicrous........an open and obvious attempt by the CBC to influence public opinion and the up-coming vote , otherwise simply a non-story.
Damn, how quickly I'd destroy that albatross around the neck of a free people that is known as the CBC!
Out OUT Damned Spot!!
Comment by poster Nimrod45 on the CBC website:
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Yeah, Americans should be lobbying to change our laws as they see fit...damn CBC for reporting such a thing. Downright Orwellian of them....
Absolutely!
The CBC suddenly "discovered" this 7 days before a crucial vote? You know, with the use of an "investigative reporter"???? Gimmee a BREAK!
And they now have posted a lovely, sneering editorial by Don Newman....the greatest apologist for the Liberals ever to be misassigned the label "journalist"... in which he falls just short of calling the Conservatives the CRAP party................just base, idiotic, meaningless propaganda aimed at the (unjustly) demonized NRA.
It has been WIDE OPEN that the NRA has shown an interest....for years.
As they do with the idiot anti-gun movement from the UN, as do both of our major firearms groups.
As the Brady anti-gun coalition provides aid to the Canadians for Gun Control.
As NGOs provide international advice to international groups with similar agendas world-wide........
And, BTW, the NRA has saved thousands more lives than any bunch of morons that has gathered together to try and destroy the tradition, the safeguard, the ancient right, of a free people to keep arms. Their safety programs are second to none, their "Eddie Eagle" program for gun proofing children is excellent, and they are deeply involved in the training of police officers and armed security.....and have been for over a century. They have four MILLION members..........
As for the Ministry of Truth, I listened to CBC Radio rant on for about 3 minutes on how the Reform Party was the "party of Racists and Bigots" in a newscast the day before a national election a few years back....at that point I knew they HAVE to go. They have an agenda, and are not shy in promoting it in a underhanded, sneaky manner....and it sickens me they get $1,000,000,000 a year from us to do it.
BTW, Orwell based (in his own admission) the idea of the Ministry of Truth on the BBC where he had worked. The CBC was inspired by the BBC and fashioned after it. Mr. Orwell would be quite understanding of the label as applied to the CBC.
If you are getting the sense this REALLY pisses me off, you'd be dead on.
Comic relief
YouTube - The Simpsons - Gun Shop
Ah, to live in a free country!
BTW, during the episode, the NRA kicks Homer out because he is unsafe.........
Absolutely...not.
It's ironic to me to watch the NDP members turning away from support for this bill now that the spotlight is on an American lobby group putting pressure on Canadian politics.
They ought to mind their own business, and focus on the second Amendment. But the chance for using the Canadian gun debate was apparently too lucrative to pass up.
And most people don't care about this issue...until it comes to times like these when there is a vote. Why would CBC waste their time investigating something when people aren't interested in it? That makes about as much sense as tits on a bull.
And they do focus on the Second Amendment.....which has a common constitutional ancestry with our own........
What, you expected linear thought from the NDP?????
That's funny!Would you complain about the Brady campaign working with Wendy Cukier???
If not, why not?
Try a little reality, it is a small world, people with common interests internationally work together.
But, it's not our constitutional right.
The ironic part is that NRA getting involved is what is prompting the bill to lose support.What, you expected linear thought from the NDP?????
I have no problem with that. I do have a problem when foreign influences are inserted in domestic politics. If you think they actually care about what happens in Canada (beyond gun laws) you need to try a little reality yourself.
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It is our constitutional right.
I agree, Canadians are not thinking straight on this issue.
My thinking is fine, thank you. I do deal with reality. The reality is the Firearms Act is an insult, an assault on our liberty, and has achieved only negative things..........
That the people of Canada would like to indulge themselves in a fantasy of a safe society is not only unreal, it is dangerous.
There is no liberty without risk.. That is the reality of it.
Is the NRA actually trying to influence Canadians or is it some Canadians trying to get support from the NRA. As far as I knew it was just to protect the U.S. Second Amendment gun rights?
I see the question was answered.
I see the question was answered.
The CBC (to say nothing of anti-gun government bureaucrats) are at it again!
Most firearms registry queries made manually: commissioner's report - Inside Politics
Most firearms registry queries made manually: commissioner's report - Inside Politics
The headline is totally misleading...............actually, it is a blatant lie.
It does NOT in anyway discredit the anti-registry claim that most inquiries are automatically generated.....it simply says "most agencies do not automatically check the registry"
Which, to anyone capable of linear thought, means it is completely possible 10,999 of the 11,000 inquiries generated are done automatically from those agencies that DO automatic inquiries......and one come from the majority of agencies that do not automatically inquire........
The Commissioner of Firearms is being exceptionally dishonest.........this is deception on a grand scale....he fails to give us the actual auto/manual inquiry stats, I wonder why?
It does NOT in anyway discredit the anti-registry claim that most inquiries are automatically generated.....it simply says "most agencies do not automatically check the registry"
Which, to anyone capable of linear thought, means it is completely possible 10,999 of the 11,000 inquiries generated are done automatically from those agencies that DO automatic inquiries......and one come from the majority of agencies that do not automatically inquire........
The Commissioner of Firearms is being exceptionally dishonest.........this is deception on a grand scale....he fails to give us the actual auto/manual inquiry stats, I wonder why?
Registering is easy. It's trying to follow all the rules that is difficult. That and never knowing when some bureaucrat will change the classification of what you currently own to prohibited. When that happens , and it has in the past they will steal your personal property without compensation.
There are also some questions on the form for either the possession license or acquisition permit(I forget which) that is none of their business.