RCMP attempt damage control in wake of B.C. video
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If a Police officer has the impression that you are a threat - he is taught how to deal with that -
Now if you were stopped by the Police, who may have had a report, that they were acting upon - that you had weapons etc or posed a danger to the public -
You would decide to get pissy because you are innocent - The Officer does not know that = It has to be determined - Equals you are a threat that he is investigating - Why do people have a problem understanding that simple fact.
Reason - They have had no experience in acting upon a supposed threat and are trained to treat it a threat till proven otherwise. JLM you are on the wrong end of common sense on this.
To ask a police officer to act otherwise is beyond foolish - It puts the officers life in danger because you want him to be a physic and realize that you are not a threat. based upon Sweet Fuk All - But tyou want that - Well it ain't gonna happen - based upon age, appearance then you get all pissy with him - How would you act - Simple - man is showing a defensive behavior - Act as trained.He is defensive - why - Down on the ground - search is then conducted -
And I have explained that time and again - The Officer looks upon you, when meeting the criteria as a threat - So you get all pissy about it - Why - he is doing his job and you do not like it that you meet the criteria for being stopped - That just reinforces it in his mind,
Would you if the roles were reversed - I think not.
Would I - not freaking likely -
If the roles were reversed and there was no crime in process, I wouldn't put myself in a position where there would be a physical threat to me- it's not like he was entering a bank during a robbery, I would note he's driving his vehicle in a lawful manner, so you don't arrive with sirens screaming, lights flashing, gats blazing- you follow him discreetly and get on the radio and try to determine who you are dealing with "oh yeah, J.L.M. 21 Ave. clean D.L. for 15 years, no prior charges or convictions, OK, I'll just see where he goes"- Get the idea?
First of all the proper procedure was not followed here and the sad fact is, it is becoming
evident. First lets look at what is known. The man in question suffered a short term
memory loss that is his mental condition due to an accident a motorcycle accident.
He has or had a permit for the gun to be able to shoot it at the golf course and his permit
would be renewed as there has never been a problem.
For those not familiar with the Okanagan, shooting is designed to scare the geese away
at the courses as the crap all over the greens. Some say why would he be shooting in
winter? We here is snows melts dries up and even on a winter day sometimes people can
get a few rounds in. When the snow melts the geese poop is all over the greens and that
is a nuisance and an expense.
We also know there was no domestic dispute, so what constituted kicking the guy in the face?
Examine the gun and the situation. The weapon was in the vehicle, he stepped out with his
hands up and waited for commands. He was a little slow getting on the ground because of
injuries suffered in that bike accident. The situation did not call for kicking him the face at all.
There was an expert, on police procedure, who went through the process when someone is
being arrested. The person is told to keep their hands in sight lay on the ground, with their
palms raised upward, while other officers cover them with weapons. A police officer comes
in and cuffs the suspect while the others cover with weapons. The suspect was in fact told
to get on the ground and he was in the process of doing that as clearly demonstrated.
This officer did not go for cuffing him he came straight at him and kicked him in the face.
In listening to the positions of the police they are shocked by the the scene on camera.
The outside investigators, are in fact recommending charges against the officer involved and
they did it rapidly, which indicates they know this is a case that is not going away.
I have come to the sad conclusion that the officer is not going to escape this as the cops
themselves are going to hang him out to dry. In addition, all the other police will be tarred with
the same brush if this guy walks.
In Kelowna and the Okanagan in general people are mad is hell, and some people who would
normally automatically side with law enforcement, are not doing so this time.
The question we face here is how do we rebuild the reputation of the police force? That must
be the outcome here. Having a Provincial Force is of no use they were in BC before until 1950
but they were so corrupt it was reason to disband them.
I think the biggest problem here is the police, the RCMP regard themselves as a police force,
when they are supposed to be a community Police Service. That mentality is at the heart of the
problem here. In a democracy, we have police forces to serve the community and provide
safe neighbourhoods. In something less than a democratic society, we have police enforce
the rules of the dictated establishment. Now how do we enforce the police to provide a service
to the public or is it just another endless circle?
evident. First lets look at what is known. The man in question suffered a short term
memory loss that is his mental condition due to an accident a motorcycle accident.
He has or had a permit for the gun to be able to shoot it at the golf course and his permit
would be renewed as there has never been a problem.
For those not familiar with the Okanagan, shooting is designed to scare the geese away
at the courses as the crap all over the greens. Some say why would he be shooting in
winter? We here is snows melts dries up and even on a winter day sometimes people can
get a few rounds in. When the snow melts the geese poop is all over the greens and that
is a nuisance and an expense.
We also know there was no domestic dispute, so what constituted kicking the guy in the face?
Examine the gun and the situation. The weapon was in the vehicle, he stepped out with his
hands up and waited for commands. He was a little slow getting on the ground because of
injuries suffered in that bike accident. The situation did not call for kicking him the face at all.
There was an expert, on police procedure, who went through the process when someone is
being arrested. The person is told to keep their hands in sight lay on the ground, with their
palms raised upward, while other officers cover them with weapons. A police officer comes
in and cuffs the suspect while the others cover with weapons. The suspect was in fact told
to get on the ground and he was in the process of doing that as clearly demonstrated.
This officer did not go for cuffing him he came straight at him and kicked him in the face.
In listening to the positions of the police they are shocked by the the scene on camera.
The outside investigators, are in fact recommending charges against the officer involved and
they did it rapidly, which indicates they know this is a case that is not going away.
I have come to the sad conclusion that the officer is not going to escape this as the cops
themselves are going to hang him out to dry. In addition, all the other police will be tarred with
the same brush if this guy walks.
In Kelowna and the Okanagan in general people are mad is hell, and some people who would
normally automatically side with law enforcement, are not doing so this time.
The question we face here is how do we rebuild the reputation of the police force? That must
be the outcome here. Having a Provincial Force is of no use they were in BC before until 1950
but they were so corrupt it was reason to disband them.
I think the biggest problem here is the police, the RCMP regard themselves as a police force,
when they are supposed to be a community Police Service. That mentality is at the heart of the
problem here. In a democracy, we have police forces to serve the community and provide
safe neighbourhoods. In something less than a democratic society, we have police enforce
the rules of the dictated establishment. Now how do we enforce the police to provide a service
to the public or is it just another endless circle?
Couldn't have said it better myself Grumpy (not that you are likely to have anymore success getting through than I did) Some people just think you are automatically owed a living, while raising all the sh*t you want. :smile:
Regardless of how one personally feels you have to look at the facts in front of you
and some people can do that and others only see what they want to see.
For those who want to try to follow this story a little closer there is an internet site that
might be interesting for those in other parts of the country Just go to this site.
castanet.net
and some people can do that and others only see what they want to see.
For those who want to try to follow this story a little closer there is an internet site that
might be interesting for those in other parts of the country Just go to this site.
castanet.net
That's what separates us JLM. I admit I'm ignorant and will let those that are in the know do their job. You and the "Facebook commentators" think you know it all. I'm glad you guys are not in charge of our legal system. Why is it so difficult for you to admit you simply don't know all the facts? I personally believe it shows certain level of maturity to accept that one doesn't know all the facts.
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy. Pretty much all of what "is known" in your post was "not known" to the officer at the time.
I'm not surprised based on what I've seen.
Note the Sgt's comments - it looks - It appears - It is not proven that he attacked the Officer just because she was an Officer - Many will say it was, could be a decent probability of that - But - the ever important But - We do not know-
DG - You are bringing forth problems with the RCMP, and i agree they need more oversight, but you are mixing them up with the Officer in question.
That is what would not be admitted in a Court of Law - Speculation - based upon others in the same profession - As the old saying goes - Sins of the father passed onto the son.
That is what is occurring here and No he was not compliant as you stated. Compliance has been posted clearly on early posts
Good Samaritans subdue knife wielding man, likely save officer's life
With the attacker on his stomach, Mr. Bater pressed on his back with his knee as the officer handed him her handcuffs. The man struggled at first, saying to the officer: “I’m going to kill you, you f-ing pig.”
The man, whom Mr. Caunter didn’t recognize as one of the downtown regulars, told the trio that he “just wanted my day in court.” As he was arrested, Mr. Bater could hear him shouting: “Police brutality.”
Police say the man wasn’t connected to the convenience store theft and while the 57-year-old suspect has a criminal history of violence, they don’t know why he attacked the officer. “It looks like he went after her just because she’s a police officer,” Sgt. Hamilton said.
You are not a fast catcher onner are you? I've never said the investigation shouldn't go ahead................so I don't know where you got that from........show me what crime was in progress when Buddy Tavares was apprehended at gun point. What the officer DID know at the time he spotted Tavares' truck was that he wasn't being threatened - HE CHOSE to put himself in whatever situation he found himself in. The guy is a hot dog, the other members the force want nothing more to do with him, he is potentially being charges after some "i's and 't's are dotted and crossed. I think it was you that suggested he could be processing parking tickets (not sure they come under R.C.M.P. jurisdiction) but if they don't you think the task may be a little overpaid? The fair way to do it is to suspend him at full pay to be deposited in trust..........if he wins he gets it, if he loses it's S.O.L. on his way to E.I. I don't pretend to know anything but tend to listen to my elders like Damngrumpy as he is in the know about the subject.
You don't mind if the investigation goes ahead but the investigation would be pointless because you've already hung the culprit.
People are presumed innocent in this country until due process determines otherwise. Nope, it's not fair for him to lose his house because you are cheap and are so worried about money.
He wouldn't lose his house because "I'm cheap and worried about money"- He'd lose his house because the bank would be leary about his financial situation. I rather doubt if the bank would even consult with me. :smile:
Does anyone have any opinions on this case??????????
CBC News - British Columbia - B.C. arrest posted on YouTube investigated
That video was of a different case altogether. My opinion of it would be one suspect was kicked twice, stepped on five or six times and kneed in the back once. :smile:
Oh, using that line of reasoning I guess every company who fires an employee is to blame if they lose their house. Perhaps someone is putting on a Logic 3 course in your neighbourhood. :lol:my head off. :smile:
Damn straight and proud to say so. If this aspect of our judicial system bothers you so much, may I suggest you run for office and try to change it. Alternatively, you could move to China or Iran where they are more in line with your way of thinking.
Fired without just cause, of course the company would be responsible. That is why due process is important in that manner as well. If a company accuses an employee of stealing and fires the employee, the employee has the right to sue the employer. That is why it is best to call the police in the event that this is suspected. Depending on the situation an employee will voluntarily resign rather than face criminal prosecution if the evidence is significant. If an employee was fired and successfully defended the allegations, I'd sure hate to be the one that fired him.
Call the cops? And have somebody beaten up? Piss on that. We'd be better to call Hell's Angels because there WOULD be some charges laid against the beater then....
If 10% of society has mental health issues, that means 1 in 10 cops out there are in need of treatment.
I think we found one.
I think we found one.