Public Inquiries into Emergencies Act begin September 19

[The_Foxer]

Even if they are racists, bigots and White Supremacists?

First off - yes. Calling people names like that just makes them hostile. And secondly - seeing as they're NOT, then maybe don't.

but once again serryah demonstrates that if there IS a racist bigoted supremist in the room it ain't the OTHER Canadians she's talking about

 

[petros]

 

[Ron in Regina]

Did the federal government satisfy the stringent thresholds of the Emergencies Act when it used the law to crack down on protestors occupying Ottawa’s parliamentary precinct last February?

That question is at the heart of the mandate of the Public Order Emergency Commission, which wrapped up its public hearings last week. But it remains unanswered and perhaps unanswerable, chiefly because Prime Minister Justin Trudeau refuses to release the legal opinion that underpins the government’s contention that it did not violate the safeguards built into the Emergencies Act.

Opinion: Ottawa says it has a legal opinion justifying the use of the Emergencies Act. So make it public — The Globe and Mail

The truly dangerous precedent would be to allow this government to assert that it has a basis for invoking the Emergencies Act, while using solicitor-client privilege to shield it from scrutiny

apple.news

The government contends that relinquishing solicitor-client privilege would set a dangerous precedent. That position seems flimsy, if the government takes the step voluntarily. Making public the legal opinion might indeed create an expectation of future transparency; that is hardly a bad thing.

The truly dangerous precedent would be to allow this government to assert that it has a basis for invoking the Emergencies Act, while using solicitor-client privilege to shield it from scrutiny. If the Liberals succeed in that attempt, it clears a path for future (Liberal?) administrations to invoke emergency measures for reasons – secret reasons – of their choosing.

 

[pgs]

Did the federal government satisfy the stringent thresholds of the Emergencies Act when it used the law to crack down on protestors occupying Ottawa’s parliamentary precinct last February?

That question is at the heart of the mandate of the Public Order Emergency Commission, which wrapped up its public hearings last week. But it remains unanswered and perhaps unanswerable, chiefly because Prime Minister Justin Trudeau refuses to release the legal opinion that underpins the government’s contention that it did not violate the safeguards built into the Emergencies Act.

Opinion: Ottawa says it has a legal opinion justifying the use of the Emergencies Act. So make it public — The Globe and Mail

The truly dangerous precedent would be to allow this government to assert that it has a basis for invoking the Emergencies Act, while using solicitor-client privilege to shield it from scrutiny

apple.news

The government contends that relinquishing solicitor-client privilege would set a dangerous precedent. That position seems flimsy, if the government takes the step voluntarily. Making public the legal opinion might indeed create an expectation of future transparency; that is hardly a bad thing.

The truly dangerous precedent would be to allow this government to assert that it has a basis for invoking the Emergencies Act, while using solicitor-client privilege to shield it from scrutiny. If the Liberals succeed in that attempt, it clears a path for future (Liberal?) administrations to invoke emergency measures for reasons – secret reasons – of their choosing.

Of course , bury your guns and convert your some assets to gold and gemstones . Your government is not your friend .

 

[Serryah]

Did the federal government satisfy the stringent thresholds of the Emergencies Act when it used the law to crack down on protestors occupying Ottawa’s parliamentary precinct last February?

That question is at the heart of the mandate of the Public Order Emergency Commission, which wrapped up its public hearings last week. But it remains unanswered and perhaps unanswerable, chiefly because Prime Minister Justin Trudeau refuses to release the legal opinion that underpins the government’s contention that it did not violate the safeguards built into the Emergencies Act.

Opinion: Ottawa says it has a legal opinion justifying the use of the Emergencies Act. So make it public — The Globe and Mail

The truly dangerous precedent would be to allow this government to assert that it has a basis for invoking the Emergencies Act, while using solicitor-client privilege to shield it from scrutiny

apple.news

I would think that it would at least have to give the judge in charge of the Commission the legal opinion to review, even if it can't be released to the *public*.

The man should be covered by any issues of 'solicitor-client' privilege being a judge.

The government contends that relinquishing solicitor-client privilege would set a dangerous precedent. That position seems flimsy, if the government takes the step voluntarily. Making public the legal opinion might indeed create an expectation of future transparency; that is hardly a bad thing.

Unless absolutely necessary, why make it public? In the end, it's this judge that has to make the decision if the Act was necessary, not court of public opinion (per say; Joe Public could/would use it against Trudeau regardless of what it says so...)

The truly dangerous precedent would be to allow this government to assert that it has a basis for invoking the Emergencies Act, while using solicitor-client privilege to shield it from scrutiny.

I can't read the story; does it say that it's shielded from the judge?

If the Liberals succeed in that attempt, it clears a path for future (Liberal?) administrations to invoke emergency measures for reasons – secret reasons – of their choosing.

Liberal or Conservative. Or NDP, or whatever other government is in power.

Come on, you know there's enough dickheads in the other parties that if they could use the EA for their own ends to solve an issue, they would/will.

 

[petros]

Was it an emergency?

Answer with your heart.

 

[The_Foxer]

Was it an emergency?

Answer with your heart.

You're assuming she has one.

I think everyone knows it wasn't an 'emergency' as envisioned by the act - what concerns me more is that some people feel it was nonetheless justified because it was used against someone they disagree with. "I don't support the truckers, therefore i think the emergency act was justified even if it was used improperly".

Today's people are too stupid to realize that opens the door to someone else using it improperly against people they DO like. The left has spread this idea that rights should not apply to people unless they are people you approve of. And that's effing dangerous.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I can't read the story; does it say that it's shielded from the judge?

Really? It just opens for me. No paywall, etc..I just tried it again & it opened for me.

Opinion: Ottawa says it has a legal opinion justifying the use of the Emergencies Act. So make it public — The Globe and Mail

The truly dangerous precedent would be to allow this government to assert that it has a basis for invoking the Emergencies Act, while using solicitor-client privilege to shield it from scrutiny

apple.news

“Mr. Trudeau and his cabinet apparently expect that Canadians will take them at their word that there is a sound legal basis for their invocation of the Emergencies Act. Not only that, the government has declined to share the legal opinion even with the commission.”

 

[Serryah]

Really? It just opens for me. No paywall, etc..I just tried it again & it opened for me.

Opinion: Ottawa says it has a legal opinion justifying the use of the Emergencies Act. So make it public — The Globe and Mail

The truly dangerous precedent would be to allow this government to assert that it has a basis for invoking the Emergencies Act, while using solicitor-client privilege to shield it from scrutiny

apple.news

Just tried again; yeah, gotta be a Globe and Mail subscriber. I get a 3 or 5 second view then it pops up to sub.

“Mr. Trudeau and his cabinet apparently expect that Canadians will take them at their word that there is a sound legal basis for their invocation of the Emergencies Act. Not only that, the government has declined to share the legal opinion even with the commission.”

Well for me, the more I've heard about the whole issue, the less I'm convinced it should'a been used, and I was iffy at the time as it was. At least I could see why, or rather, I could see the reasons they gave as to why it was needed, but now... not so much. And seeing from this that even the commission can't see it; fuck that noise. I'm very much on the side of NOT taking the Government's word over this.

 

[The_Foxer]

Here's the non paywall link to that article,

archive.ph

 

[pgs]

Really? It just opens for me. No paywall, etc..I just tried it again & it opened for me.

Opinion: Ottawa says it has a legal opinion justifying the use of the Emergencies Act. So make it public — The Globe and Mail

The truly dangerous precedent would be to allow this government to assert that it has a basis for invoking the Emergencies Act, while using solicitor-client privilege to shield it from scrutiny

apple.news

“Mr. Trudeau and his cabinet apparently expect that Canadians will take them at their word that there is a sound legal basis for their invocation of the Emergencies Act. Not only that, the government has declined to share the legal opinion even with the commission.”

The most honest and transparent government ever .

 

[The_Foxer]

The most honest and transparent government ever .

My Sarcasm meter just exploded.....

 

[Ron in Regina]

Just tried again; yeah, gotta be a Globe and Mail subscriber. I get a 3 or 5 second view then it pops up to sub.

I don’t get it. I’m one of the least tech savvy people I know….& I Musta figured out a way around the Paywall thing, but I don’t know how I did it. Not a sniff… but something intuitive, or it wouldn’t have happened.

Well for me, the more I've heard about the whole issue, the less I'm convinced it should'a been used, and I was iffy at the time as it was. At least I could see why, or rather, I could see the reasons they gave as to why it was needed, but now... not so much. And seeing from this that even the commission can't see it; fuck that noise. I'm very much on the side of NOT taking the Government's word over this.

Yeah, me too. At the time I was no fan whatsoever of this convoy, because we, as a trucking company had been absolutely swamped for years straight….& I couldn’t fathom anybody having the time to spare to screw around being involved with the convoy.

It was their right & good on them I guess, but our fleet was running its butt off just barely within the boundaries of the law to try and keep our customers happy. They came and they saw, and they made their point that first weekend when Trudeau went into hiding (yeah, self reported possible Covid exposure to a secret hiding spot that’s undisclosed and so on and so forth…whatever…the lie was obvious), and that was it. Done deal. Point made. Time to go back to work.

It should not a dragged out for three weeks, but it did. So much bullshit and lies and propaganda was allowed to transpire in that time frame….& I knew after a few days after that first weekend that things would end up pretty much like they did (minus the actual Emergencies Act thing mind you…sure didn’t see that coming).

With a Fleet of 25+ Drivers & Leased Operators, all but 1 fully vaccinated (& that 1 we kept busy running loads relayed up to him from SK into BC), none of our people were directly involved, but almost all of them supported what was happening with these protesters going to Ottawa.

With all the spin long before the first truck arrived in Ottawa I knew it was gonna be an absolute shit show if given more than a couple days for the Jagmeet/Justin propaganda machine to really spin its way up to beyond ridiculous.

The court injunction regarding horns came in to play February 7 so that’s when the horn stopped….& that injunction (a 10 day order) was renewed on the 16th for another 60 days, But to read the news it was 24 hours a day seven days a week day in and day out until the courageous police in the days about the 23rd put a stop to something that hadn’t happened for weeks…And the apartment that was burned down with truckers blocking the doors which didn’t happen….& and that drunk chick from Quebec dancing on the tomb that was blamed on these truckers…. And so many other examples….it was quite nauseating right down to someone (with nobody ever stepping forward to claim credit, or a leak, or a pic or video) putting a Ball-Cap & a flag on a statue, that I understand, happens with almost every protest in Ottawa… and how that was blown up….

Unlike all the statues that were smashed and spray-painted and destroyed in the protests before this one….ugh…”but a ball-cap & a flag on the statue of Terry Fox? Well hold my beer and clutch my pearls at my personal outrage ‘cuz that’s couldn’t have possibly have happened before!!”

(by the way, after the outrage at the desecration of the Terry Fox Statue, less than a month later…gone…to make room for a new building complex to house offices for MPs and senators, seriously)

It was a sweet scenario for the current federal NDP/Liberal Government. None of the truckers where nurses except for the ones who where, and none of them were women, except for all the ones that were…and they were all white males, except for all the ones that weren’t, but Shhhh…. And they were all unvaccinated, except for the 90% that were vaccinated, but they ALL made perfect scapegoats.

The longer they were there, the longer the media had to find the right pictures of somebody doing something stupid to justify an overreaction by government. It was like watching a traffic accident in slow motion without being able to do anything about it.

Then ol’Moistly serenely invoking the Emergencies Act after three levels of law enforcement Keystone Copping things for weeks? Holy Shit! No overstep there, as there was perceived (as opposed to real) violence and the potential (as opposed to actual happening) for someone or something to have happened and then possibly escalated. A couple weeks of bylaw enforcement incompetence and BANG!! Emergencies Act!! Why not??

Oh yeah, ‘cuz it was never intended to be used against its own citizens in Canada in a political protest. Thus the clearly stated rules and safeguards written into the emergencies act to prevent its abuse like this that happened in February 2022.

Canada’s Emergencies Act - Canada.ca

Canada’s Emergencies Act

www.canada.ca

Before declaring a national emergency, the federal cabinet must consult with provincial cabinets, which sort of happened a few hours on Valentines Day before was invoked. Trudeau learned his lesson there April 9th, 2020.

In hindsight though, Trudeau (Justin & not Pierre this time) using the Emergencies Act really shouldn’t have been a surprise. He tried to use it already earlier in COVID but (April 9th, 2020) the Provinces in consultation (actual consultation that time, but Justin learned his lesson about actual consultation if he really wanted his way) where unanimously against it. Done. No Emergencies Act to play with that time.

By invoking the Emergencies Act to allow the RCMP & OPP (& thankfully not the Military with Tanks there Mendicino) to come into Ottawa to enforce municipal bylaws was ‘convenient’ to have the ‘extra tools’ for law enforcement without having to worry about the pesky things like the charter of rights and freedoms, etc…so justified totally.

Let’s be honest here also in pointing out that the Emergencies Act ‘convenient extra tools’ where not used anywhere except to clear the streets in Ottawa, as far as a National Emergency goes. Had to get traffic flowing in front of Parliament!! Is Wellington street (between Bank & Elgin) open to traffic now though (?) or at all really since February of 2022?

Ottawa mulls permanently blocking traffic on Wellington Street in front of Parliament Hill

www.nationalobserver.com

Truck driver receives fines for driving on Wellington Street in front of Parliament

Wellington Street has been closed to vehicle traffic between Elgin Street and Bank Street since the 'Freedom Convoy' occupation ended in February of this year.

ottawa.citynews.ca

Wellington Street 'extremely porous' eight months after closing to vehicles, PPS head says

The head of the Parliamentary Protective Service says Wellington Street in front of Parliament Hill remains "extremely porous", eight months after closing the street to vehicles following the 'Freedom Convoy' demonstration.

ottawa.ctvnews.ca

(Wellington Street has been closed to most traffic between Bank and Elgin streets since police cleared the “Freedom Convoy” in February…so thank God the Emergencies Act Bylaw Enforcement got that opened up to be closed to the public ever since, so totally justifiable)

 

[petros]

I don’t get it. I’m one of the least tech savvy people I know….& I Musta figured out a way around the Paywall thing, but I don’t know how I did it. Not a sniff… but something intuitive, or it wouldn’t have happened.

Yeah, me too. At the time I was no fan whatsoever of this convoy, because we, as a trucking company had been absolutely swamped for years straight….& I couldn’t fathom anybody having the time to spare to screw around being involved with the convoy.

It was their right & good on them I guess, but our fleet was running its butt off just barely within the boundaries of the law to try and keep our customers happy. They came and they saw, and they made their point that first weekend when Trudeau went into hiding (yeah, self reported possible Covid exposure to a secret hiding spot that’s undisclosed and so on and so forth…whatever…the lie was obvious), and that was it. Done deal. Point made. Time to go back to work.

It should not a dragged out for three weeks, but it did. So much bullshit and lies and propaganda was allowed to transpire in that time frame….& I knew after a few days after that first weekend that things would end up pretty much like they did (minus the actual Emergencies Act thing mind you…sure didn’t see that coming).

With a Fleet of 25+ Drivers & Leased Operators, all but 1 fully vaccinated (& that 1 we kept busy running loads relayed up to him from SK into BC), none of our people were directly involved, but almost all of them supported what was happening with these protesters going to Ottawa.

With all the spin long before the first truck arrived in Ottawa I knew it was gonna be an absolute shit show if given more than a couple days for the Jagmeet/Justin propaganda machine to really spin its way up to beyond ridiculous.

The court injunction regarding horns came in to play February 7 so that’s when the horn stopped….& that injunction (a 10 day order) was renewed on the 16th for another 60 days, But to read the news it was 24 hours a day seven days a week day in and day out until the courageous police in the days about the 23rd put a stop to something that hadn’t happened for weeks…And the apartment that was burned down with truckers blocking the doors which didn’t happen….& and that drunk chick from Quebec dancing on the tomb that was blamed on these truckers…. And so many other examples….it was quite nauseating right down to someone (with nobody ever stepping forward to claim credit, or a leak, or a pic or video) putting a Ball-Cap & a flag on a statue, that I understand, happens with almost every protest in Ottawa… and how that was blown up….

Unlike all the statues that were smashed and spray-painted and destroyed in the protests before this one….ugh…”but a ball-cap & a flag on the statue of Terry Fox? Well hold my beer and clutch my pearls at my personal outrage ‘cuz that’s couldn’t have possibly have happened before!!”
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(by the way, after the outrage at the desecration of the Terry Fox Statue, less than a month later…gone…to make room for a new building complex to house offices for MPs and senators, seriously)

It was a sweet scenario for the current federal NDP/Liberal Government. None of the truckers where nurses except for the ones who where, and none of them were women, except for all the ones that were…and they were all white males, except for all the ones that weren’t, but Shhhh…. And they were all unvaccinated, except for the 90% that were vaccinated, but they ALL made perfect scapegoats.

The longer they were there, the longer the media had to find the right pictures of somebody doing something stupid to justify an overreaction by government. It was like watching a traffic accident in slow motion without being able to do anything about it.

Then ol’Moistly serenely invoking the Emergencies Act after three levels of law enforcement Keystone Copping things for weeks? Holy Shit! No overstep there, as there was perceived (as opposed to real) violence and the potential (as opposed to actual happening) for someone or something to have happened and then possibly escalated. A couple weeks of bylaw enforcement incompetence and BANG!! Emergencies Act!! Why not??

Oh yeah, ‘cuz it was never intended to be used against its own citizens in Canada in a political protest. Thus the clearly stated rules and safeguards written into the emergencies act to prevent its abuse like this that happened in February 2022.

Canada’s Emergencies Act - Canada.ca

Canada’s Emergencies Act

www.canada.ca

Before declaring a national emergency, the federal cabinet must consult with provincial cabinets, which sort of happened a few hours on Valentines Day before was invoked. Trudeau learned his lesson there April 9th, 2020.

In hindsight though, Trudeau (Justin & not Pierre this time) using the Emergencies Act really shouldn’t have been a surprise. He tried to use it already earlier in COVID but (April 9th, 2020) the Provinces in consultation (actual consultation that time, but Justin learned his lesson about actual consultation if he really wanted his way) where unanimously against it. Done. No Emergencies Act to play with that time.

By invoking the Emergencies Act to allow the RCMP & OPP (& thankfully not the Military with Tanks there Mendicino) to come into Ottawa to enforce municipal bylaws was ‘convenient’ to have the ‘extra tools’ for law enforcement without having to worry about the pesky things like the charter of rights and freedoms, etc…so justified totally.

Let’s be honest here also in pointing out that the Emergencies Act ‘convenient extra tools’ where not used anywhere except to clear the streets in Ottawa, as far as a National Emergency goes. Had to get traffic flowing in front of Parliament!! Is Wellington street (between Bank & Elgin) open to traffic now though (?) or at all really since February of 2022?

Ottawa mulls permanently blocking traffic on Wellington Street in front of Parliament Hill

www.nationalobserver.com

Truck driver receives fines for driving on Wellington Street in front of Parliament

Wellington Street has been closed to vehicle traffic between Elgin Street and Bank Street since the 'Freedom Convoy' occupation ended in February of this year.

ottawa.citynews.ca

Wellington Street 'extremely porous' eight months after closing to vehicles, PPS head says

The head of the Parliamentary Protective Service says Wellington Street in front of Parliament Hill remains "extremely porous", eight months after closing the street to vehicles following the 'Freedom Convoy' demonstration.

ottawa.ctvnews.ca

(Wellington Street has been closed to most traffic between Bank and Elgin streets since police cleared the “Freedom Convoy” in February…so thank God the Emergencies Act Bylaw Enforcement got that opened up to be closed to the public ever since, so totally justifiable)

In a nutshell....if they were a Union things would have been completely different.

 

[Ron in Regina]

In a nutshell....if they were a Union things would have been completely different.

Yeah, an identifiable quantitative block, but they where just a convenient scapegoat-able example to Trudeau/Singh to stomp on ‘cuz they sure as shit couldn’t do that to the Nurses, or Aboriginals, or BLM, or any of dozens or other protesters in an identifiable quantitative block. Oh well…

The Emergencies Act requires that a double test be met if it is to be invoked to quell a public-order emergency. First, the government must have reasonable grounds to believe that a public-order emergency exists, based on the definition of threats to the security of Canada contained in the Canadian Security Intelligence Service Act. Second, that emergency must be a situation that “cannot be effectively dealt with under any other law of Canada” but here we are.

The position to invoke emergency measures, after receiving a (secret) legal interpretation from the Justice Department that the Emergencies Act uses a broader definition of threat than the CSIS Act seems inherently contradictory, given that the Emergencies Act explicitly references the definition contained in the CSIS statute. Yet the government claims that it has (secret) legal advice that resolves that contradiction….but you or anyone else can’t see or hear it. Not only that, the government has declined to share the legal opinion even with the commission.

VAN GEYN: Hearings prove Emergencies Act requirements not met — Toronto Sun

After six weeks of testimony in Ottawa at the Public Order Emergency Commission, the federal government has failed to make its case that using the extraordinary powers in the Emergencies Act was justified. The Emergencies Act is the successor to the War Measures Act. It is gives tremendous power...

apple.news

The Emergencies Act is the successor to the War Measures Act. It is gives tremendous power to the prime minister and cabinet, including the power to create new criminal law by executive order. These are powers that must have a high threshold and which we all should be wary of in a liberal democracy.

But after hours of testimony from politicians and senior officials, the government has failed not only to lay out the factual and legal justification for the invocation of the act, but also claimed privilege over the legal opinion setting out the case for the legality of the emergency. And the government has promoted a strange and novel legal argument intended to lower the threshold for when this powerful law, designed to deal with wars, plagues and terrorist attacks, can be used.

What we really need is the federal government’s opinion, in writing, and as it was provided to the decision makers who invoked the Emergencies Act on the basis of this novel legal theory. However, the government has claimed privilege over that opinion and the prime minister has admitted on cross-examination that this written legal opinion was not even provided to the decision makers at cabinet.

This is important, because cabinet needs vigorous debate. Cabinet needs to be fully informed when making difficult decisions. In failing to provide the written legal opinion to cabinet the prime minister failed in his role as chair of cabinet and denied the decision makers the relevant information they needed to invoke the Emergencies Act.

 

[petros]

Disgusting.

 

[Dixie Cup]

Even if they are racists, bigots and White Supremacists?

Says who? You do know what 'assumptions" are right?

 

[Dixie Cup]

And he continues to lie doesn't he? Even with evidence otherwise, he is sticking to his "story" even tho' it's inaccurate. The Hypocrisy is incredible!

 

[Serryah]

Says who? You do know what 'assumptions" are right?

Dix, you said "First off I'd stop calling fellow Canadians racists, bigots & White Supremists."

Considering I personally have MET Canadians who are bigots and racists - no White Supremacists yet - and HAVE called them out for their racism (one was even a co-worker) yeah, I AM going to call them out on it.

Assumptions? You show any of the above, I will call you out on it.

BTW, does your comment work the other way too? Cause I get called things like this a lot by other Canadians, too. Are you calling them out to stop saying it? Or is this a "only certain people need to stop saying these things" kind of post?

 

[petros]

Nobody likes a pushy dike.