"Proud Boys" Disrupt Mi'kmaw Memorial in Halifax

captain morgan

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The law says exactly that. Read the rest of Post #39. It is up to the military to decide what the punishment will be if some of its members choose to ignore it. It could be censure; loss f pay; expulsion from the military; or in extreme cases, imprisonment.

Here's the law you are relying on for your argument... I highlighted the important bits:

No member of the Regular Force shall:
  1. take an active part in the affairs of a political organization or party;
  2. make a political speech to electors, or announce himself or allow himself to be announced as a candidate, or prospective candidate, for election to the Parliament of Canada or a provincial legislature; or
  3. except with the permission of the Chief of the Defence Staff, accept an office in a municipal corporation or other local government body or allow himself to be nominated for election to such office.


... So, with the above in mind, does holding and voicing an opinion magically count in the above regard?
 

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Meaning as long as they tow the party line they are OK. Independent thought in the military is frowned on.
Would these men be censored for attending a gay pride parade or is that now an accepted political statement?

They're being fired by their employer for casting the Forces in a bad light. This could happen in any job, anywhere and they likely have some means to contest it, as well.
 

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They're being fired by their employer for casting the Forces in a bad light. This could happen in any job, anywhere and they likely have some means to contest it, as well.

Look for a human rights kangaroo court to give them millions of tax dollars for the militaty's actions.
 

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There are all sorts of statues of Victoria around the country. I suppose that they'll get the axe, due to the nastiness of Victorian era Colonialism.

John A. Macdonald is all over the place, too. He was a serious alcoholic, a bit of a con-man and look what he did to the Indigenous peoples? Eh?... Eh?

Got to go!

And all of those mournful soldiers on cenotaphs across the country? They glorify war and, they also happen to be all white, males. They should go because they are too caucasiocentric, not inclusive enough and they don't reflect the diversity of Canada.

Also, those historic plaques all over the country are just in English and French when they should be in Farsi, Hindi, Mandarin, Punjabi, Arabic and Tagalog as well. How DARE Canada insult those people by leaving them out!
 
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If you can't remember where you have been how the hell do you know where you are going?

It's like when the catholic church rewrote everyone's religious sites when they took over.
A couple generations later and the past was almost completely buried under a pile of poo.

Locally there is a cross where Deganawida's birth site was and now almost NO ONE knows why that cross is on top of that spot.
(Deganawidah was the founder of the 6 nations confederacy, pre runner to the US constitution, and some say a personality similar to Jesus christ)

The military will likely get away with the PR/political maneuver.
 
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No charges in Halifax 'Proud Boys' incident, servicemen returned to duties: Navy
THE CANADIAN PRESS
First posted: Thursday, August 31, 2017 11:27 AM EDT | Updated: Thursday, August 31, 2017 03:44 PM EDT
HALIFAX — No criminal charges will be laid against five so-called “Proud Boys” who disrupted a Mi’kmaq ceremony in downtown Halifax on Canada Day, the Royal Canadian Navy says.
Rear-Admiral John Newton said Thursday that an investigation has wrapped up with no further actions taken against the servicemen, although they remain on an unspecified term of probation and must adhere to unspecified conditions.
“If they fail ... they are gone. This is not lightweight punishment,” he told reporters.
The servicemen had been relieved of their duties and re-assigned to other jobs, pending the results of the military police investigation into the incident at a statue of Halifax’s controversial founder, Edward Cornwallis.
Newton said one of the servicemen has since left the Forces, but the others are being returned to their operational units and regular duties. He said the serviceman who left the forces had initiated the process well before the July 1 incident.
He said the members displayed “behaviour inconsistent with the values and ethics expected of those in uniform,” and the military has taken appropriate measures to address “individual shortcomings.”
Specifically, Newton said they had contravened a section of the Queens Regulations and Orders “where your personal actions, on duty or off duty, could be perceived or are in contravention with the policies of the Canadian Armed Forces.”
The navy has ensured the servicemen have a clear understanding of the expected ethical behaviours and standards of conduct within the Armed Forces, he said.
Newton told reporters the remaining servicemen — three navy and one army — will have a permanent mark on their record.
“They have to actually pass this probationary period to get back onto their full career progress,” he said.
“I’m not going to spell out the individual type of probationary measures because there is privacy and confidentiality of the members involved and they have that right as individual citizens,” said Newton.
The investigation began in early July, a few days after a group of “Proud Boys” confronted Indigenous people gathered in a park for what they described as a sacred rite. The incident was caught on videotape and spread on social media.
Rebecca Thomas, who was at the Canada Day ceremony, said she was disappointed at the “lack of consequences” for the service members who were involved in the incident.
“I would have liked to have seen a restorative justice process for these individuals where they have to face the community that they wronged,” said Thomas, who is Mi’kmaq and Halifax’s poet laureate.
“I worry about something that could have been a teachable moment is now just turning into a straight form of punishment within a very familiar context. It doesn’t seem that things were learned.”
Thomas wonders whether the punishment would have been as lenient had the service members interrupted a Roman Catholic mass or a Remembrance Day ceremony.
“It could be an indication on how the Armed Forces see Indigenous ceremony,” she said. “I would like to hope that these individuals have changed their feelings on Indigenous peoples but I don’t have any proof to that effect.”
The Armed Forces previously apologized for the servicemen’s actions. Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan and Gen. Jonathan Vance, chief of the defence staff, both condemned the actions of the men.
The “Proud Boys” — known for matching black polo shirts often worn by members — was founded in the U.S. by Gavin McInnes, a Canadian who helped establish Vice Media and is now an outspoken, right-wing political pundit.
The “Proud Boys” call themselves “Western chauvinists.”
A Facebook post from the Proud Boys Canadian Chapters Thursday struck a triumphal and defiant tone in reaction to the navy’s actions.
“We win, our brothers in the Halifax 5 are returning to active military duty with no charges, let the SJW (Social Justice Warriors) tears pour,” it said. “Proud of our boys.”
Newton said he has met with the servicemen twice, and they are remorseful and dealing with a world changed by social media.
He said reporters don’t know the servicemen’s version of the story, but “it means nothing” anyway, because what matters is what the public perceives.
Newton said he has dealt with many navy mishaps caused by personal mistakes, and although the servicemen embarrassed the military, the matter has been dealt with through the governing policies and procedures.
“You cannot just turn around and fire everybody. They have rights,” he said.
“You can’t pursue it just because you want to. You just can’t. What we are doing doesn’t solve all of the issues. But it is as good an outcome as I can strive for.”
Newton said he has also met with Chief Grizzly Mamma, who was part of the Indigenous ceremony interrupted by the “Proud Boys.”
Thursday was Newton’s last full day as commander of Canada’s East Coast navy, as he begins work with Veterans Affairs Canada in Charlottetown. Rear Admiral Craig Baines will assume command in Halifax in a ceremony Friday morning.
In a statement Thursday, the military said the Halifax incident has provided a leadership opportunity for military brass — and the best way to confront and defeat intolerance is through education and training.
“Any action by a Canadian Armed Forces member (in uniform or not) that demonstrates intolerance or shows disrespect towards the people and cultures we value in Canada is completely unacceptable,” it said.
“The Canadian Armed Forces celebrates the contributions that First Nations, Inuit and Metis people have made to Canada and its military.
“The chain of command has taken appropriate measures to address individual shortcomings, intended to drive home a clear understanding of the ethical behaviour and standard of conduct that we demand all our members uphold and maintain.”
It said the Armed Forces view diversity as a source of strength and flexibility.
http://facebook.com/ProudBoysCanada/posts/461962384187007
No charges in Halifax 'Proud Boys' incident, servicemen returned to duties: Navy
 

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Here is what most people seem to be overlooking. The military is supposed to be politically neutral.
So what did these guys do that was so political. They approached a group of protesters and asked, "What's up?", politely engaged them and that's your idea of going beyond neutrality? They caused no trouble, did nothing wrong and yet you seem to have a problem with their lack "political neutrality"? Get a grip.
 

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So what did these guys do that was so political. They approached a group of protesters and asked, "What's up?", politely engaged them and that's your idea of going beyond neutrality? They caused no trouble, did nothing wrong and yet you seem to have a problem with their lack "political neutrality"? Get a grip.

And they were greeted with hate.