"Proud Boys" Disrupt Mi'kmaw Memorial in Halifax

Jinentonix

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No. But that is why we have a secret ballot. May I assume from your post that you approve of members of the military taking sides in political issues?



Yes - don't make any public statements or participate in unofficial public demonstrations.
Interesting. Did you know that ALL federal govt employees are bound by pretty much the same agreement? And yet you cheered the "unmuzzling" of scientists in federal govt employ. Why is that? Why is it a binding agreement for everyone working for the Fed except the scientists?
 

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Proud Boys is a far right men's organization founded in 2016 by Vice Media co-founder and former commentator Gavin McInnes who is also a contributor to the Rebel Media. McInnes describes the organization as a "pro-Western fraternal organization" for men who "refuse to apologize for creating the modern world." The group has been referred to as alt-right.

The dark shirts they wore that day with the yellow piping is their unofficial uniform.

Their presence at the Mi’kmaq ceremony, even if they didn't say anything, would be seen as disrespectful.
 

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Has anyone considered the Mikmaq ceremony as disrespectful to begin with ?
Corn-hole-is ordered a bounty on their scalps and tried to wipe them off the face of the Earth. They were not there to tear down his statue. There were there to do ceremony.
 

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Interesting. Did you know that ALL federal govt employees are bound by pretty much the same agreement? And yet you cheered the "unmuzzling" of scientists in federal govt employ. Why is that? Why is it a binding agreement for everyone working for the Fed except the scientists?

You are confusing the issues. What members of the scientific community want to be able to do is what they were originally hired to do and that is release information to the public concerning various issues that might threaten the public good; not keep it hidden because of the government's political agenda. Why do you think the government has scientists who job it is to monitor the environment in the first place?

If you want members of the military to be able to freely interfere in public affairs I suggest that you take a look at how well that has worked in places like Latin America. BTW the neutrality of the military is pretty much a given in every democracy worldwide.
 

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Nova Scotia town covers Cornwallis Bridge sign as petitions circle to rename river
Brett Bundale, THE CANADIAN PRESS
First posted: Monday, September 11, 2017 03:12 PM EDT | Updated: Monday, September 11, 2017 05:08 PM EDT
KENTVILLE, N.S. — A debate sweeping the country over the naming of monuments and places after contentious historical figures has found a new flashpoint in rural Nova Scotia.
A Scottish immigrant has launched a bid to change the name of the Cornwallis River, a roughly 50-kilometre tidal waterway that meanders through the Annapolis Valley, as well as the name of a bridge that crosses the river.
Isobel Hamilton of Centreville, N.S., said Edward Cornwallis, the former governor of Nova Scotia who issued a bounty on Mi’kmaq scalps, also played a brutal role at the Battle of Culloden, violently suppressing the Jacobite rebellion in her Scottish homeland.
But she said her motivation isn’t about scrubbing Cornwallis’s name from history, but rather recognizing the province’s Indigenous roots.
“Remembering history is about remembering all of history and there is not a lot to remember the Mi’kmaq history by,” Hamilton, who moved to Nova Scotia about four years ago, said Monday.
“You can’t undo the things that have happened in the past but it would be nice if the Indigenous presence here before the arrival of the Europeans was reflected in place names and landmarks.”
Upon learning of Hamilton’s petitions, the Town of Kentville covered up the name Cornwallis on a poster of a new bridge set to be built next year, noting that it never intended to name the crossing after Cornwallis.
Instead, chief administrative officer Mark Phillips said Cornwallis Bridge was an internal working name and that council passed a motion two years ago to name the new span after Kentville’s longest-serving mayor, Wendell Phinney.
A rendition of the long-awaited new bridge was printed on a large sign to show locals the design, he said, and the town regrets the confusion caused by the oversight of leaving the working name in place.
Still, calls remain for the province to rename the Cornwallis River, with Hamilton’s petition suggesting the original Mi’kmaq name of Jijuktu’kwejk should be restored.
In 2015, Premier Stephen McNeil had a sign for the Cornwallis River removed at the request of a Mi’kmaq elder, but no further steps were taken to rename the waterway.
The controversy over naming places and statues in honour of historical figures with checkered pasts reached a boiling point in Charlottesville, Va., last month when a violent white nationalist protest over the proposed removal of a Confederate army general’s statue left one person dead and dozens injured.
In Ontario, teachers are pushing to have the name of Canada’s first prime minister wiped from a handful of schools across the province. The Elementary Teachers’ Federation of Ontario said in August that it wants Sir John A. Macdonald’s name pulled because of what it calls his role as the “architect of genocide against Indigenous Peoples.”
Halifax has been the focal point of the polarizing debate over Cornwallis in Nova Scotia, with city council voting last spring for a staff report on the commemoration of the city’s founder on municipal assets, including Cornwallis Park and Cornwallis Street.
A city spokesman said Monday the report, which will include the terms of reference and a recommended composition for an expert panel that will review the issue, is expected to go before council in the coming weeks.
“The goal is to identify a path forward that better recognizes the history of the Mi’kmaq, and other Indigenous peoples, as part of our shared history in Nova Scotia,” Brendan Elliott said in an email.
Although he said it’s too early to say what the panel may propose to council, Elliott said the removal of the statue is among the possible options that could be put forward.
A bronze statue of Cornwallis, who founded Halifax in 1749 during his term as governor, stands in a downtown park.
Mi’kmaq groups have long argued that the statue should be removed, and have called his actions a form of genocide against Indigenous peoples. Members of the Nova Scotia Assembly of Mi’kmaq Chiefs agree that the statue should come down.
A number of rallies have been held at the park, most recently in solidarity with the violence in Charlottesville, where speakers drew comparisons between the movement to remove the colonial governor’s likeness and efforts to take down statues in the southern United States commemorating Confederacy leaders.
Meanwhile, the largely black Cornwallis Street Baptist Church said earlier this year it would change its name, and an office and retail complex on Halifax’s busy Spring Garden Road has quietly changed its name to the Bond Building from Cornwallis House.
http://change.org/p/nova-scotia-pro...nwallis-river-with-it-s-original-mi-kmaq-name
Nova Scotia town covers Cornwallis Bridge sign as petitions circle to rename riv
 

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You are confusing the issues. What members of the scientific community want to be able to do is what they were originally hired to do and that is release information to the public concerning various issues that might threaten the public good; not keep it hidden because of the government's political agenda. Why do you think the government has scientists who job it is to monitor the environment in the first place?
No, they are govt employees just like the rest of the govt employees are. They are not permitted to go off script and publicly discuss environmental issues that are tied to govt policies. As much as you may wish to believe otherwise, they sign the same damn agreement as every other govt employee. Now, there is usually someone in each govt department who has clearance to discuss govt policy in regards to their department but anyone else, not so much.

If you want members of the military to be able to freely interfere in public affairs I suggest that you take a look at how well that has worked in places like Latin America. BTW the neutrality of the military is pretty much a given in every democracy worldwide.
Again, what interference? They showed up, asked what was going on, politely listened and then headed off.
I"m still not sure what has your panties all in a twist about this. I guess our guys and gals in the military should just walk along with their eyes to the ground when they're off-duty and out in public. Wouldn't want them seeing something and offending your delicate sensibilities by asking a question about it.
Yep, only in Canada is it considered "interference" and "non-neutral" to ask a civilian a simple question if you're in the military. Next thing we know, you'll be complaining that they get to vote.
 

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No, they are govt employees just like the rest of the govt employees are. They are not permitted to go off script and publicly discuss environmental issues that are tied to govt policies. As much as you may wish to believe otherwise, they sign the same damn agreement as every other govt employee. Now, there is usually someone in each govt department who has clearance to discuss govt policy in regards to their department but anyone else, not so much.

Again, what interference? They showed up, asked what was going on, politely listened and then headed off.
I"m still not sure what has your panties all in a twist about this. I guess our guys and gals in the military should just walk along with their eyes to the ground when they're off-duty and out in public. Wouldn't want them seeing something and offending your delicate sensibilities by asking a question about it.
Yep, only in Canada is it considered "interference" and "non-neutral" to ask a civilian a simple question if you're in the military. Next thing we know, you'll be complaining that they get to vote.

I am afraid you do not seem to understand the issue. Under Harper government scientists whose job it was to inform the public were not allowed to publish their findings. Perhaps this will explain the issue.

Harper’s attack on science: No science, no evidence, no truth, no democracy


Harper's attack on science: No science, no evidence, no truth, no democracy - Academic Matters

And please don't try to obfuscate the military issue. When members of the military show up at a public gathering wearing identical outfits connected with a racist organization they are not being politically neutral. Even you should be able to figure that out.