Pot may prolong pain, not relieve it: Study

darkbeaver

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DB, I don't think dancing around a fire in a mystical trance counts as 'research', which probably wipes out all but 50 years of the 12 thousand years of your clinical evidence.

My own experience with it, and its been a while, is that apart from almost causing me to flunk out of college.. it made me paranoid, isolated, depressed, incommunicative and incomprehensible to those around me, with nonsensical 'insights' of utterly no value.. how much happiness can come from feeling completely alone, and steadily losing your grip on reality. :roll:

One must have powerful allies to discount so completely the total of mankinds experience with the plant. You smoked too much Coldstream, moderation may well have provided you with a different experience. Certainly you were right to be unhappy with your trials, this is not the case with most users though. Some can enter the necessary altered states by practice of meditation or ritual and others need the plants, nobody gets there except through the mind/spirit/soul. Altering perceptions and building from the primitive foundations is what all of human experience is about, isn't it? There are walls, maybe you just couldn't climb them then. Find someone and try again. You owe it to your god given endocannibinoid system.:-(
 

lone wolf

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It's not i who howl at the full moon at midnight.. lone wolf.. ;-)

.. but my experience is not unique or in fact, uncommon.

Hence the word INTOXICATED. All things in moderation.

I have known a few people to have bad reactions ... but then I'm not the one preaching the evils of weed because I had a bad experience. It's not my place to condemn they who don't conform to my ideals.

BTW ... howling at a full moon may serve you as well as praying to a see-through master....:lol:
 

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That would explain your need for the crutch of religion. Your adherence to catholic dogma and your depressing world view is no different that the one pot highlighted back in the day. Pot does tend to exaggerate our neuroses. Many can't handle facing them.


All i can say Cliffy, is i've tried pot. I think you are going to have to try religion to be able to have anything but the chauvinistic and self absorbed reference points of what you claim to have an understanding of. :smile:
 

darkbeaver

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That would explain your need for the crutch of religion. Your adherence to catholic dogma and your depressing world view is no different that the one pot highlighted back in the day. Pot does tend to exaggerate our neuroses. Many can't handle facing them.

We will face them one way or the other eh. I find it thrilling to face them one toke over the line because it always ends for me in gales of laughter at my own stupid fears, whenever I cross that line I know i'm in for a treat if I just relax and let the demons beat themselves to death while I watch.
 

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DB, I don't think dancing around a fire in a mystical trance counts as 'research', which probably wipes out all but 50 years of the 12 thousand years of your clinical evidence.

Not at all! It's called anicdotal evidence and though not to be considered on the same level as clinical research it is none the less an excellent tool to make broad observations that lead to specific things where climical research and examine the issues with the precision of the microscope. No pun intended.

My own experience with it, and its been a while, is that apart from almost causing me to flunk out of college.. it made me paranoid, isolated, depressed, incommunicative and incomprehensible to those around me, with nonsensical 'insights' of utterly no value.. how much happiness can come from feeling completely alone, and steadily losing your grip on reality. :roll:

Ok so that's how it is with you. That isn't to say that your exerience is exactly like anyone elses. Cannabis isn't for everyone. Same as drinking alcohol, extreme sports and dog ownership. You never mentioned if you knew what you were doing, but from the sounds of it, the only thing you did know was to stop using it.

Everyone I know who uses Cannabis has a very different experience from yours. I must say that my own experiences are nothing like yours. I should say that I am also very experienced when it comes to drugs which could account for some of your own symptoms such as paranoia, depression, nonsensical insights and this steady lossing your grip on reality thingy.

Maybe there is a lot about spirituality that you simply can't understand. Maybe Cannabis is that way for you too.
 

Unforgiven

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One must have powerful allies to discount so completely the total of mankinds experience with the plant. You smoked too much Coldstream, moderation may well have provided you with a different experience. Certainly you were right to be unhappy with your trials, this is not the case with most users though. Some can enter the necessary altered states by practice of meditation or ritual and others need the plants, nobody gets there except through the mind/spirit/soul. Altering perceptions and building from the primitive foundations is what all of human experience is about, isn't it? There are walls, maybe you just couldn't climb them then. Find someone and try again. You owe it to your god given endocannibinoid system.:-(

Rhythm Of The Heat.
 

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All i can say Cliffy, is i've tried pot. I think you are going to have to try religion to be able to have anything but the chauvinistic and self absorbed reference points of what you claim to have an understanding of. :smile:

I have tried religion. I was born into the catholic fear cult. It did make me neurotic and pot helped expose that and helped me deal with it. But now I do not smoke the stuff and haven't for over thirty years. I have used it as a pain killer by making an infusion (tea) as I do have a chronic pain problem from being hit by a logging truck. How you get chauvinistic, self absorption from that I fail to see, but then we see in others that which we refuse to see in ourselves.
 

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The fact that you are even asking the question implies that it does. It is simply not relevant to the discussion.

Sure it is. That you are as anxious to avoid answering the simple question proves it is so and that you in fact know that to be true.

Do you or have you ever used Cannabis? Yes or no need be all that you say.
 

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Catholic Fear Cult, Cliffy. I'd suggest you had very poor instruction or role models. Maybe you are just seeing what you want to to see. Has your atheism, or 'tea', cast off all those fears. :roll:

Unforgiven, any one who has spent any time in the dope culture, knows THC is absorbed into the fatty tissue of the body. It accounts for the trait of being stoned again at almost the first toke, even after a considerable period away. With MJ you are basically always stoned. And those symptoms i have stated are well vetted in objective research on the effects. It is really a high that turns on you in unpleasant ways, which is why so many people move on after a while.
 
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Cannuck

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Sure it is. That you are as anxious to avoid answering the simple question proves it is so and that you in fact know that to be true.

Anxious to avoid the question? I've already answered the question on other threads. If it matters to you , I'm sure you can find it....not that it would matter to you as it is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
 

lone wolf

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Anxious to avoid the question? I've already answered the question on other threads. If it matters to you , I'm sure you can find it....not that it would matter to you as it is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Careful... In searching out your answer, one may also find the post where you say (to the effect) anyone who takes what you say seriously should do so at their own risk
 

darkbeaver

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Catholic Fear Cult, Cliffy. I'd suggest you had very poor instruction or role models. Maybe you are just seeing what you wan to to see. Has your atheism, or 'tea', cast off all those fears. :roll:

Unforgiven, any one who has spent any time in the dope culture, knows THC is absorbed into the fatty tissue of the body. It accounts for the trait of being stoned again at almost the first toke, even after a considerable period away. With MJ you are basically always stoned. And those symptoms i have stated are well vetted in objective research on the effects. It is really a high that turns on you in unpleasant ways, which is why so many people move on after a while.

THC, CBD, CBC and many other compounds. What's your point we all ingest 24/7 many of those compounds stay with us for very long times, how about coffee cream or pork chops, I'm sure I'm carrying some of that from the seventys. CB1 AND CB2 receptors make it virtually certain that you are stoned naturally weather you like it or not, it's a fundemental provider of harmony and balance. You are dependent on cannibinoids Cold stream, you are hooked me son. The denial is hilarious though. So many people don't move on from cannabis, why can't you be happy for them? One of thew original angels was called Cannabis wasn't it?
 

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Catholic Fear Cult, Cliffy. I'd suggest you had very poor instruction or role models. Maybe you are just seeing what you want to to see. Has your atheism, or 'tea', cast off all those fears. :roll:

I spent 18 years being indoctrinated into the cult. I broke free of my own volition. Just because I don't subscribe to catholic dogma does not make me an atheist. I have my own personal connection to the divine that does not require adherence to anybody else's dogma. Religion is slavery. The tea was a pain killer. THC is only about 10% water soluble so I didn't get high. There is no god to fear in my life.
 

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For original article click here. Although cannabis was a medicinal plant for thousands of years, its medical use was suppressed and banned throughout most of the 20th century. While banned here in the US, major scientific breakthroughs were made in Israel, Spain, Italy and Brazil. These science breakthroughs have made cannabis the wonder drug of the 21st century.

The Father of Medical Cannabis Research

The greatest cannabis researcher is unquestionably Raphael Mechoulam from Isreal. He discovered THC in 1964, the psycho-active component of cannabis. Mechoulam also discovered the first endogenous endo-cannabinoid in 1992, Anandamide, meaning bliss.

This is his book (see image right).
Above Left Image: Raphael Mechoulam

A Treasure Trove Waiting for Discovery

When asked why he devoted his entire lifetime studying the biochemistry of cannabis, Dr. Raphael Mechoulam said the following: "The three major illicit drugs derived from plants were then (at the beginning of my career), and still are, opium, coca and cannabis. Morphine had been isolated from opium early in the 19th century and structure elucidated in the 1920s by Robert Robinson. Cocaine was isolated from coca leaves in the middle of the 19th century and structure described by Richard Willstatter in the last decade of the 19th century. I believe that the cannabinoids represent a medicinal treasure trove which waits to be discovered."

Just Like the Opiate Receptor Story

In a story very similar to the discovery of opiate receptors in the brain, cannabinoid receptors have been discovered along with their endogenous cannabinoids, representing the largest neurotransmitter system in the brain and immune system. This neurotransmitter system went undetected for decades because it involves an unheard of concept, retrograde transmission, or reversed flow of information from the post synapse to the pre-synapse.
 

Unforgiven

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Anxious to avoid the question? I've already answered the question on other threads. If it matters to you , I'm sure you can find it....not that it would matter to you as it is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Very much so. Am I to assume you think I read every post you make here? :lol:
Does anyone else know if Canuck has posted that he currently or in the past used Cannabis? Sauce for the Goose, that you make such an attempt to avoid such a simple question. That you say it doesn't matter, yet adamantly refuse to answer it betrays the lie in your insistance that it doesn't matter.

It matters and I have shown that you yourself feel that it matters greatly to the topic at hand. We are to the point now that I feel you would choose to lie about it simply to avoid giving an honest answer to the question.
 

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For original article click here. Although cannabis was a medicinal plant for thousands of years, its medical use was suppressed and banned throughout most of the 20th century. While banned here in the US, major scientific breakthroughs were made in Israel, Spain, Italy and Brazil. These science breakthroughs have made cannabis the wonder drug of the 21st century.

Do you own that! 8O I've been after a second copy for someone but it's a $200 book that I can't find used.
 

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Very much so. Am I to assume you think I read every post you make here?

Good gawd you really are slow on the uptake. I did not say that I think you read all my posts. Your "ass"umption is obviously arrived at due to your limited comprehension skills. I said that you could probably find it (there have only been a handful of pot threads in the last year or so) alas, it would appear I gave you entirely too much credit.

Does anyone else know if Canuck has posted that he currently or in the past used Cannabis? Sauce for the Goose, that you make such an attempt to avoid such a simple question. That you say it doesn't matter, yet adamantly refuse to answer it betrays the lie in your insistance that it doesn't matter.

I have answered it and would be more than willing to answer it again. I only need two things. One, is that you explain the relevance and two, you apologize for being such a cry baby. Of course, you could not bother and simply look back through some of the old pot threads.

It matters and I have shown that you yourself feel that it matters greatly to the topic at hand.

No, what you have done is made the erroneous claim that it matters to me. Given that I've already answered the question, it obviously doesn't....to me anyway (to you it seems vitally important).

We are to the point now that I feel you would choose to lie about it simply to avoid giving an honest answer to the question.

Well that's definitely a possibility and you will never know if I'm giving an honest answer or not. That's the drawback to anonymous forums (and the main reason my answer is irrelevant). Now you on the other hand, your drug use is self evident.