Poll:- life better now or in 1959?

SirJosephPorter

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I'm just relying on my simple powers of observation, trying to make some (common) sense of it all. Very unscientific.And I think it IS on topic...life was definitely better in '59!

I am glad you realize it is very unscientific countryboy, because it is. Opinions can vary from person to person and can be unreliable. Opinions are influenced by subjective considerations, by personal experience, personal prejudices etc.

Statistical evidence on the other hand is objective evidence. And by almost every statistical indicator, life is much better today compared to 50 years ago.
 

SirJosephPorter

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True. Is it possible that the "proper upbringing" was more common in '59?

Oh, it certainly was, countryboy. Along with stereotypes (woman's place is in the kitchen), prejudices (blacks properly belong in the servant and janitor roles), hatreds (gays are the spawn of the Devil, perverts and must be locked up), what was proper and improper to talk about in public (one doesn't talk about child abuse, wife battering etc.) and so on.

Yes, those indeed were the 'Happy Days'.
 

lone wolf

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Oh, it certainly was, countryboy. Along with stereotypes (woman's place is in the kitchen), prejudices (blacks properly belong in the servant and janitor roles), hatreds (gays are the spawn of the Devil, perverts and must be locked up), what was proper and improper to talk about in public (one doesn't talk about child abuse, wife battering etc.) and so on.

Yes, those indeed were the 'Happy Days'.

That's very telling in that such terrible family images should be reflected in your recollections. Perhaps you should ask doctor to refer you to a psychiatrist.
 

AnnaG

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Better in '59, you could get 7 adults and two small children in a car if you used the rear window tray.
Yup. We had 7 people in the seats and 5 in the trunk (with beer) of Rick's '58 Roadmaster when we went to the drive-in one time. :D
 

AnnaG

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I am glad you realize it is very unscientific countryboy, because it is. Opinions can vary from person to person and can be unreliable. Opinions are influenced by subjective considerations, by personal experience, personal prejudices etc.

Statistical evidence on the other hand is objective evidence. And by almost every statistical indicator, life is much better today compared to 50 years ago.
So show us the evidence.
I showed lots in earlier posts. All you've done is spew your opinion.
 

AnnaG

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Oh, it certainly was, countryboy. Along with stereotypes (woman's place is in the kitchen), prejudices (blacks properly belong in the servant and janitor roles), hatreds (gays are the spawn of the Devil, perverts and must be locked up), what was proper and improper to talk about in public (one doesn't talk about child abuse, wife battering etc.) and so on.

Yes, those indeed were the 'Happy Days'.
Perhaps they were where you were in your tiny little world, but things were pretty decent where other people were.
Like I said before, have people quit starving in Africa? No. Has pollution been stopped? No, it's actually worse now. Has the quality of life gotten better everywhere? Obviously not. Has bigotry stopped? No. Have wars stopped? No.
Things are just different. Some are better, some are worse.
 

JLM

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So show us the evidence.
I showed lots in earlier posts. All you've done is spew your opinion.

Methinks you're beating your head against a rock, Anna - he just keeps repeating the same 2 or 3 things that we've "achieved" from his hero's Charter. Granted there are a few things that are better today, but mostly they are better bandaids, like taking the dead and making them only half dead, whereas back in '59 they weren't doing the things people do today to make themselves sick in the first place. So I would say that life today is worse but "death" today is better, like there are motorized wheel chairs for them.
 

petros

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Methinks you're beating your head against a rock, Anna - he just keeps repeating the same 2 or 3 things that we've "achieved" from his hero's Charter. Granted there are a few things that are better today, but mostly they are better bandaids, like taking the dead and making them only half dead, whereas back in '59 they weren't doing the things people do today to make themselves sick in the first place. So I would say that life today is worse but "death" today is better, like there are motorized wheel chairs for them.
I agree. Why drag it out? When the money is all gone just guzzle a bottle of Vicks' DM and go to sleep in a snow bank.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Back in the days when young people were all law abiding, delightful children, I guess.

But of course they were, Tenpenny. They were nice little kids, who did not disobey the adults, who did not say anything against any adult. They were so well behaved that they wouldn’t say a word even when sexually abused by the Catholic Priests, such things just were not talked about in public. And even if they told their parent, the parents probably wouldn’t believe them anyway, the kid probably would get a whipping for telling tales.
 

lone wolf

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But of course they were, Tenpenny. They were nice little kids, who did not disobey the adults, who did not say anything against any adult. They were so well behaved that they wouldn’t say a word even when sexually abused by the Catholic Priests, such things just were not talked about in public. And even if they told their parent, the parents probably wouldn’t believe them anyway, the kid probably would get a whipping for telling tales.


Porter, now you're just being an ass
 

SirJosephPorter

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Methinks you're beating your head against a rock, Anna -

You got that right JLM, I never respond to anything Anna says, it is just a waste of time. I have got better things to do than to get into shouting match involving personal insults, personal abuse with anybody here.

he just keeps repeating the same 2 or 3 things that we've "achieved" from his hero's Charter. Granted there are a few things that are better today, but mostly they are better bandaids, like taking the dead and making them only half dead, whereas back in '59 they weren't doing the things people do today to make themselves sick in the first place. So I would say that life today is worse but "death" today is better, like there are motorized wheel chairs for them.


These ‘2 or 3 things’ that you claim are as follows:


  • life expectancy – much greater today.
  • health – much better today
  • personal income – much higher today
  • living comforts – much better and widespread toady
  • standard of living - much higher today
  • scientific knowledge - much more advanced today
  • Technological innovations – we have technology today which was not even dreamed of 50 years ago, such as microwave, oven, cell phone, computer, DVD and many more.
  • racial tolerance – much more widespread today – 50 years ago it was routine, customary to discriminate against women, against blacks, to lock up gays for being homosexual etc. These days they have Charter protection. As a result,

  • Civil society - much more humane, more civilized more fair today.

Now, maybe to you these things mean very little, you probably have some fond memories of the ‘good old days’ (and being a white male, you probably did have it easy in the old days, these days white males have to compete with minorities on equal terms). You are entitled to your opinion. However that is not what we find objectively.
 

petros

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racial tolerance – much more widespread today – 50 years ago it was routine, customary to discriminate against women, against blacks, to lock up gays for being homosexual etc. These days they have Charter protection. As a result,
LMAO..... 2009 was a RECORD YEAR for complaints filed with the ADL. Sorry Rup but you're waaaaay off.
 

JLM

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"You got that right JLM, I never respond to anything Anna says, it is just a waste of time."- That surprises me, Anna is generally right on the money. Anyway S.J. the subject is about better, not more- like we've got more people hooked up to wires and hoses today and yes we've got a higher standard of living if that's watching a 52" T.V. owned by the bank.
 

petros

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"You got that right JLM, I never respond to anything Anna says, it is just a waste of time."- That surprises me, Anna is generally right on the money. Anyway S.J. the subject is about better, not more- like we've got more people hooked up to wires and hoses today and yes we've got a higher standard of living if that's watching a 52" T.V. owned by the bank.
He keeps missing that point and it is perfect example of how people lack real values.
 

countryboy

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You got that right JLM, I never respond to anything Anna says, it is just a waste of time. I have got better things to do than to get into shouting match involving personal insults, personal abuse with anybody here.




These ‘2 or 3 things’ that you claim are as follows:


  • life expectancy – much greater today. - Check the latest projections..it's going the other way.
  • health – much better today - ? Need specifics here - I'm reading about certain diseases (eg, diabetes) that are approaching epidemic levels. (I believe it's the old burden of proof thing.
  • personal income – much higher today - How much of it do we get to keep? Just asking...I don't have the stats but then, the burden is on you. My definition of personal income vis-a-vis comparative quality of life is how much you get to decide to spend...disposable income.
  • living comforts – much better and widespread toady - living comforts is subjective...please be more specific. I don't have a widespread toady...is that some sort of furniture?
  • standard of living - much higher today Measurements, please
  • scientific knowledge - much more advanced today No question about it, although I'm not sure how that might be have a net impact on everyday life, but I'll give you one for that.
  • Technological innovations – we have technology today which was not even dreamed of 50 years ago, such as microwave, oven, cell phone, computer, DVD and many more. They may prove to be not all that wonderful...microwave ovens are questionable in terms of what they do to food, cell phones are suspected of causing brain cancer, computers when overused, tend to make people weird, and you get one point for DVD.
  • racial tolerance – much more widespread today – 50 years ago it was routine, customary to discriminate against women, against blacks, to lock up gays for being homosexual etc. They didn't lock up the 2 gay guys in my hometown...one was a student, the other a highly respected music teacher.These days they have Charter protection. As a result,
  • Civil society - much more humane, more civilized more fair today. Oh boy, we really need that burden of proof thing here.
So far, I think you've scored two or possibly 3 (personal income), which puts that right in line JLM's post re: those two or three things. The rest are simply the result of an active imagination and/or an unsubstantiated opinion.


Now, maybe to you these things mean very little, you probably have some fond memories of the ‘good old days’ (and being a white male, you probably did have it easy in the old days, these days white males have to compete with minorities on equal terms). You are entitled to your opinion. However that is not what we find objectively.

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