Pierre Poilievre’s callous courting of Canada’s ‘deplorables’ (left wing in full panic mode)

Ron in Regina

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Whether he becomes prime minister or not, Poilievre has already, at the very least, forced his opponents to reconsider their complacency on key issues….& he’s been Leader of his Party for just 30 hours now.
Yep. And it's going to have justin second guessing his game, and historically when he gets flustered he does very badly
Well, it’ll get him doing….anyway.

Chicken-in-every-pot populism is dishonest. It is promising what you have neither the means nor the intention of delivering.

It is also, sadly, necessary for the challenger. The only way, really, to overcome the advantages of incumbency is to find failings and shortcomings in the current mob, and talk them up into CRISES! that will DESTROY CANADA! unless the good, honest, hard-working folk put you and your party into office.

You also gotta find some group for the voters to hate.
I think Trudeau has managed that on his own in the Western portion of Canada anyway….but he’s reacting to the economy with announcements in the last 60 hours:
Vs more carbon taxes & let then eat cake.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Yes, let's talk about True Dope, or, as the West (who have no irrational hatreds, only legitimate grievances) calls him, the bastard son of Satan.
 

Ron in Regina

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Yes, let's talk about True Dope, or, as the West (who have no irrational hatreds, only legitimate grievances) calls him, the bastard son of Satan.
It’s a combination of irrational hatreds & legitimate grievances, & it goes back a generation in a “sins of the father” sorta thing too which isn’t rational but it is real.

He’s the bastard son of someone, & yeah I hear you.
 

Nick Danger

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There most certainly are some parallels between PP's leadership bid and the Trump presidential campaign, not the least of which was PP's deft application of the populist shtick in whipping up an emotional frenzy without any actual policy statements beyond vague references to "remove the gatekeepers". Oddly close to "drain the swamp" wasn't it ? Or the cries for rebellion against "the elites", a group which he himself is part of, no need for further explanation there. He is currently trying to portray himself as the champion of the working man, although his history as jobs minister with the Harper government shows a devotion to union busting and keeping wages low.

PP is a highly skilled politician, but whether or not he is any more than that remains to be seen.
 
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Tecumsehsbones

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There most certainly are some parallels between PP's leadership bid and the Trump presidential campaign, not the least of which was PP's deft application of the populist shtick in whipping up an emotional frenzy without any actual policy statements beyond vague references to "remove the gatekeepers". Oddly close to "drain the swamp" wasn't it ? Or the cries for rebellion against "the elites", a group which he himself is part of, no need for further explanation there. He is currently trying to portray himself as the champion of the working man, although his history as jobs minister with the Harper government shows a devotion to union busting and keeping wages low.

PP is a highly skilled politician, but whether or not he is any more than that remains to be seen.
Reactions, anyone? (Might wanna put on a helmet and pads, Nick.)
 
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Taxslave2

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So you're saying you haven't been supportive of Trump, regardless of his stupidity?

Huh! Maybe someone else named Dixie Cup has been posting Trump-Love!
Your idea of Trump stupidity isn't the same as normal, thinking people.
 
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Taxslave2

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There most certainly are some parallels between PP's leadership bid and the Trump presidential campaign, not the least of which was PP's deft application of the populist shtick in whipping up an emotional frenzy without any actual policy statements beyond vague references to "remove the gatekeepers". Oddly close to "drain the swamp" wasn't it ? Or the cries for rebellion against "the elites", a group which he himself is part of, no need for further explanation there. He is currently trying to portray himself as the champion of the working man, although his history as jobs minister with the Harper government shows a devotion to union busting and keeping wages low.

PP is a highly skilled politician, but whether or not he is any more than that remains to be seen.
Don't quote fake news sources like CBC. PP is hardly part of the Laurentian elite.
 

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There most certainly are some parallels between PP's leadership bid and the Trump presidential campaign, not the least of which was PP's deft application of the populist shtick in whipping up an emotional frenzy without any actual policy statements beyond vague references to "remove the gatekeepers". Oddly close to "drain the swamp" wasn't it ? Or the cries for rebellion against "the elites", a group which he himself is part of, no need for further explanation there. He is currently trying to portray himself as the champion of the working man, although his history as jobs minister with the Harper government shows a devotion to union busting and keeping wages low.

PP is a highly skilled politician, but whether or not he is any more than that remains to be seen.
As opposition leader, he is not really required to come out with platform or specifics. He can put his together come election time. He should have it ready as who knows when Trudeau will call an election.
 

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There most certainly are some parallels between PP's leadership bid and the Trump presidential campaign, not the least of which was PP's deft application of the populist shtick in whipping up an emotional frenzy without any actual policy statements beyond vague references to "remove the gatekeepers". Oddly close to "drain the swamp" wasn't it ? Or the cries for rebellion against "the elites", a group which he himself is part of, no need for further explanation there. He is currently trying to portray himself as the champion of the working man, although his history as jobs minister with the Harper government shows a devotion to union busting and keeping wages low.

PP is a highly skilled politician, but whether or not he is any more than that remains to be seen.
Emotions didnt need to be whipped up by PP, Hes just giving focus on where, why and how these emotions can be used in a positive way and alleviating them.

The "swamp" was dead weight Democrats and lobbying leaches.

Gatekeepers are very real. Bylaws and eco, FN impact and bubble gum reviews on too many levels.

It can take 3 years of submissions and permitting to tear down a burned out house and rezone into afforable multiple unit housing. Its a huge amount of jobs too.

Is that reasonable? Without roadblocks, tenets or buyers could be occupying 4 new homes within 90 days were a piece of shit WW1 era 800sqft 2brdm once sat.

Trudeau's spending and arrogance is legitimate.
Bust Unions? Union contract wages signed 2 years ago are lagging behind the open market wages, benefits and most importantly flexibity not offered by contracts. Unions need to evolve.

Inflation is going to trigger a multitude of strikes in the very very near future. Inflation is killing their pensions. Either they strike which only drives more inflation or they get realistic and back fighting inflation.

Is it worth you losing your pension to keep supporting Trudeau?
 

The_Foxer

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Chicken-in-every-pot populism is dishonest. It is promising what you have neither the means nor the intention of delivering.
That's not what he's offering. That was more trudeau's line.

What he's saying is more akin to "the current gov't won't let you grow your own chickens. You could if you wanted to and worked at it, but they won't let you. We'll let you grow chickens. "

And that is something he can deliver. This the classic "reduce red tape and gov't interference' pitch with some new font and aesthetics. Red tape is replaced with 'gatekeepers'. Smaller gov't is replaced with " do fewer things very well rather than do everything badly". With some 'fair tax policy' stuff thrown in, always sounds good :)

People aren't afraid to work and buy their own pot and their own chicken. But right now in Canada they feel like they can't - they work harder and harder and something always gets between them and their goals. So by promising to remove that he has a lot of appeal.

We ran passport offices efficiently with even higher numbers of requests for years. We can do that again. We can get projects pushed through faster. We can definitely lower taxes. We can reduce red tape and build things here. So - that's the appeal.
 

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There most certainly are some parallels between PP's leadership bid and the Trump presidential campaign, not the least of which was PP's deft application of the populist shtick in whipping up an emotional frenzy without any actual policy statements beyond vague references to "remove the gatekeepers". Oddly close to "drain the swamp" wasn't it ? Or the cries for rebellion against "the elites", a group which he himself is part of, no need for further explanation there. He is currently trying to portray himself as the champion of the working man, although his history as jobs minister with the Harper government shows a devotion to union busting and keeping wages low.
He is in no way an elite. But that aside claiming there's similarities between him and trump's campaign is a little disingenuous - the elements you mention are part of pretty much every successful campaign especially for the non incumbent. I mean - you could say the same about Obama, or Churchill, or hitler for that matter. "Canada is back" isn't much different than 'Make america great again" is it.

It's pretty obvious that ANY politician has GOT to offer things that appeal to the public and motivate them to vote for him. (except doug ford's last election but that was special). So what you're really saying there is that PP's campaign so far has similarities to every other political campaign ever. Well... you're not wrong, but what's the point then?

So - then we get to the issue of "populism". The word has come to be used to mean 'anything people like' when referring to someone in a semi-derogatory way. But that's not what it means. there is a difference between PopuLAR and PopuLIST. The idea of having fewer roadblocks and red tape and lower taxes is popular. But that doesn't make it populist.

PP is a highly skilled politician, but whether or not he is any more than that remains to be seen.
Well that much is true for sure. So far he looks good but we won't know till he's actually in charge whether or not he will deliver.

The thing that gives people a little hope tho is that he COULD - it's possible to reduce red tape and it's possible to rework taxes to be much more fair and give people a break. these things can be done effectively with a positive result. So there's reason to believe he MIGHT WELL be able to deliver as promised. And that gets people excited.
 

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As opposition leader, he is not really required to come out with platform or specifics.
In fact he'd be a moron if he did. IF he did then the libs would steal anything popular and rail on him for the rest. We've seen that plenty in the past. You talk in general terms till the election, then spring your plan on 'em at the last minute when it's too late for them to adjust.
 
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I have repeatedly stated that while I support Trump as President because of the good things he did, I don't like him personally. READ!!!!

Read the bold part. That is why you are a Trump Lover on the cultist level of scary. There was very little "good" that Trump did while in office. (I admit he did maybe do a HANDFUL, if that, of 'okay' things... but that's it.)

You assume I'm talking about the Lump o Lard as a civilian. I'm not.
 
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The_Foxer

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Read the bold part. That is why you are a Trump Lover on the cultist level of scary. There was very little "good" that Trump did while in office. (I admit he did maybe do a HANDFUL, if that, of 'okay' things... but that's it.)

You assume I'm talking about the Lump o Lard as a civilian. I'm not.
Referring to someone as a 'cultist' because they think someone may have done some good while in office even tho they're detestable as a person is borderline derranged.

Trump actually did fairly well in office if you just look at what got done and get rid of the tweets and stupid comments. The economy drastically improved, investment was up. a number of trade deals were improved and for the first presidency in forever no wars were fought. If you had the stats and didn't know who they were for, you'd probably say 'this guy did a fairly good job'.

Calling someone a "trump lover on a cultist level' for acknowledging those simple facts is not the action of a rational person. Even if you think he did other things which offset that. Yeash.
 
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