Patricia O'Byrne kept in jail

JLM

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I'm sorry, but abducting your child, allegedly or not, is a criminal act. There is no manufacturing going on at all. Someone with 7 marijuana plants and an alleged child abductor are two totally different things.

Putting people in jail for having 7 manufacturing plants IS manufacturing criminals!

How do you steal something that you created?

Now you are thinking Petros! :lol:
 

JLM

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The father has not been in her life for 18 years. How can the daughter's view be anything but skewed? I'm not saying her view is invalid, just that it should be taken with a grain of salt.

THAT would be the height of presumptuousness! :smile:
 

petros

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What are you talking about? I'm talking about a child abduction, not 7 marijuana plants.
Adducting something that is yours? How does Govt justify taking away something you created and own unless you don't really own your children and other physical or spiritual creations?
 

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Adducting something that is yours? How does Govt justify taking away something you created and own unless you don't really own your children and other physical or spiritual creations?

Exactly, Petros! :lol: This "kidnapping" and "abducting" sh*t as it applies to your own children is something that has grown legs in the past 20 years or so. This case has been blown out of all proportion...................it's a civil matter at worst.
 

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Couldn't have said it as good myself, D.G. The mother's worst crime was disobedience/contempt. Half the country feels that way about our sad justice system, that Mr. Harper seems Hell bent on making worse.


As RCS has already pointed out. If it had been the Father abducting his child and hiding out for 20 years, you all would be calling for his head. Since it's the mother, you guys are falling all over the useless bitch. She STOLE/KIDNAPPED the child and then kept the Father from being able to see his child or develop a relationship with her. He missed ALL of the major milestones in his childs life all because of a selfish, self centered, useless piece of skin.
 

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Adducting something that is yours? How does Govt justify taking away something you created and own unless you don't really own your children and other physical or spiritual creations?

Sorry, that doesn't wash. You may not agree with the courts, but that doesn't give you the right to abduct your child if custody was given to the other parent. It may be totally bogus, but you certainly don't help matters by abducting the child.
 

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No the daughter has not been in her fathers life for eighteen years you are right.
Reason is not the prime motivation here, emotion is from her viewpoint. If the
father wants to get into the daughters life, he had best not be vindictive toward
the mother or he will risk losing her forever, or at least a long time.
Remember the judge cannot order contact with the daughter here she is an adult.

I think these people might be able to resolve some of this without the courts being
at the center of it. For example if the father does not try to imprison the mother, he
may just get what he is looking for, a chance to get to know his daughter, that would
be a real case of justice. The daughter wins and the father wins, the mother she
gets to stay out of jail and that would lead to what she never wanted the father having
a role in his daughters life. Remember this is not about the courts, its about a girl
or young woman getting to know her father and reclaiming part of he identity
It might not be in the courts interests to interfere with that. Tread lightly lest the
court wins and the child loses.
 

shadowshiv

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Exactly, Petros! :lol: This "kidnapping" and "abducting" sh*t as it applies to your own children is something that has grown legs in the past 20 years or so. This case has been blown out of all proportion...................it's a civil matter at worst.

You're kidding me, right? So, if it was your wife that took your child for 20 years, you would be fine with it being handled as a civil case?
 

petros

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Exactly, Petros! :lol: This "kidnapping" and "abducting" sh*t as it applies to your own children is something that has grown legs in the past 20 years or so. This case has been blown out of all proportion...................it's a civil matter at worst.
Are we all owned?

You're kidding me, right? So, if it was your wife that took your child for 20 years, you would be fine with it being handled as a civil case?
I'll ask again " how do you steal something you own or created"?
 

shadowshiv

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Are we all owned?

I'll ask agin " how do you steal something you own or created"?

When it is against the law. If it wasn't against the law, then you would see this happen a lot more often. And how does that help the child?
 

shadowshiv

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Who has ownership? Parents or "the law"?

So, because she is the "owner" of the child, she can do whatever the heck she wants? She lost custody for a reason, and just like the numerous men and women that have the same thing happen to them, she needs to abide by the court's decision.
 

JLM

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What are you talking about? I'm talking about a child abduction, not 7 marijuana plants.

What I am talking about is you said you were glad Harper is putting "teeth" into the justice system and I was just questioning putting people in jail for possession of 7 marijuana plants could be construed as "having teeth". More like manufacturing criminals! :smile:
 

petros

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"The law "decides what I can and can't own even though it's mine and I created it? Custody? Does that mean no ownership? Is it up to the the law for me to visit my truck?
 

JLM

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As RCS has already pointed out. If it had been the Father abducting his child and hiding out for 20 years, you all would be calling for his head. Since it's the mother, you guys are falling all over the useless bitch. She STOLE/KIDNAPPED the child and then kept the Father from being able to see his child or develop a relationship with her. He missed ALL of the major milestones in his childs life all because of a selfish, self centered, useless piece of skin.

From all reports I've heard a fairly productive member of society and I heard nothing of her harming her child. We simply don't know what the father is really like, probably a decent person too, but we just don't know for sure.