Parliamentary page sacrifices her job for anti-Harper protest

[Colpy]

Well she already endured the parliamentary punishment of termination.

Are you saying that she should have been thrown in jail for holding up the sign?

I have said at LEAST three times on this thread that NO ONE has suggested that DePape should be jailed or punished past the loss of her job.....NOR SHOULD SHE BE.

I have said, in the last post, that she should simply be ignored.

You can READ, can't you???

You see, I believe in free speech, even in an inappropriate place, at an inappropriate time.

Unlike her supporters.

 

[lone wolf]

I believe in free speech. I also believe when one has been arrested over and over again for the same thing, they take it on the chin alone. There is no polarity. Maybe that's why you're confused.

 

[mentalfloss]

I have said at LEAST three times on this thread that NO ONE has suggested that DePape should be jailed or punished past the loss of her job.....NOR SHOULD SHE BE.

I have said, in the last post, that she should simply be ignored.

You can READ, can't you???

You see, I believe in free speech, even in an inappropriate place, at an inappropriate time.

Unlike her supporters.

o.k.

So would you then say that she shouldn't have been fired?

 

[Colpy]

o.k.

So would you then say that she shouldn't have been fired?

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[/FONT]Honourable Senators, all of you will be familiar with the following:


I do swear that I will be faithful and bear True allegiance to Her Majesty
The Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada,
Her Heirs and Successors. So help me God.


That is the oath of a Senate Page.


A regrettable incident took place on Friday during the Throne Speech. A Senate Page, Brigitte DePape, chose to disrupt proceedings.
She broke her oath to the Queen and her signed contract with Parliament not to behave in a way that brings her impartiality into question.

my emphasis


Senator addresses rogue page - Inside Politics

Yes, of course she should be fired.

She was refusing to do her job, to fulfill her contract........she violated the conditions of her employment. I can't think of anybody that deserved to get fired more than her.

She was fired for cause.......

 

[cranky]

Well she already endured the parliamentary punishment of termination.

Are you saying that she should have been thrown in jail for holding up the sign?

I think termination, and a difficult time getting government security clearance should suffice. My point has always been how wishy washy the ethics and principles are of her supporters.they have practically turned her into a folk hero.

 

[Nuggler]

Oh, don't be silly!

First of all, I'm back in NB.

Second of all....desert is hardly my kinda terrain.....I'm not stupid enough to go wandering off.......

Thirdly, how can I be intimidating to a bunch of people I can't see, don't know, and have no contact with except as a few lines of script on a screen???

If the lefties pee their panties over a pic....geez......get a life!!!

Sheesh, Colpy, I was only concerned bout your welfare8O. Us kind hearted left-leaning idiots is like that. Furthermore, I haven't peed my panties in a couple days now.

 

[Colpy]

Sheesh, Colpy, I was only concerned bout your welfare8O. Us kind hearted left-leaning idiots is like that. Furthermore, I haven't peed my panties in a couple days now.

I shoulda softened that with a smiley....I'm a little cranky today. No sleep. Sorry.

 

[Fingertrouble]

Since when does a majority-dictatorship chosen by a minority of the people represent democracy?

Those who chose to vote gave a majority government to the Conservatives. They recieved more votes than the other parties and therefore they were chosen by the majority. Sure if you added the other parties votes up that may be a different story, but we do not live in a 2 party system and therfore you cant complain. The conservatives received the majority of votes from Canadians "who could agree on the course they wanted the country to take"

 

[mentalfloss]

They recieved more votes than the other parties and therefore they were chosen by the majority.

More conservative ridings won, but that doesn't reflect the true vote percentage unfortunately.

 

[Colpy]

More conservative ridings won, but that doesn't reflect the true vote percentage unfortunately.

Absolutely true.

We do need the preferential ballot.

Guess all you lefties should have voted REFORM back in the day, huh?

Be that as it may, as the system stands, Harper and the CPC won a clear Parliamentary majority.

As well, turning the "40% didn't vote" argument on its head, I'd like to point out that 40% were so satisfied with the condition of the gov't as it was that they couldn't be bothered to pull their fat, useless arses off the couch to go make a choice.

Seriously, I bet only one in ten (at best) really saw their refusal to vote as a political statement......the rest just didn't bother. A sign that we live under reasonably good gov't.

 

[captain morgan]

Absolutely true.

We do need the preferential ballot.

Guess all you lefties should have voted REFORM back in the day, huh?

They lefties didn't need it back then since it was their guy promoting their agenda, which was in the best interests of all Canadians (according to the manifesto).

Now we are left with a few years of this bleating and moaning about how these fragile little china dolls have been denied 'true democracy'.

 

[cranky]

Ok, just for the record, I went back to re-read the thread to see who - in my eyes - undisputedly wrote stuff in favor of Depape's protest. So far, I've only read the first 7 pages, and this is what I found. Interestingly, Mentalfloss hasn't actually come out in favor of her actions, yet I do consider most of his posts to have an air of admiration and support for Depape......is that an acurate assessment, Mentalfloss?

Actually it was exactly appropriate and exactly in the right place. Notice how it got attention.

Kind'a neat how one can be so stressed about the future, yet then see how cool their kids are when well brought up, eh?

Good thing she is not asking you for a job.

The world needs more people with ideals and morals. Parliament could use a whole lot more like her.

]Good for her! It's nice to see young people willing to take a stand and say their piece regardless of the nasty right wing calls for her beheading.[/B]

I expect if she can keep some sort of heat like this brewing over the next four years, she could alter the outcome of the next election.

It was a gutsy move and shows more moxie than any politician has that is sitting today.

Anyone want to volunteer their support or non support of Depape's actions?

for the record, I think it was a definite abuse of her job position, and I consider it unethical for others to support her actions regardless of whether or not they support her message. is that clear enough?

 

[karrie]

o.k.

So would you then say that she shouldn't have been fired?

She should have been fired, 100%. She violated the terms of her job. Can you imagine how little would happen in government if every page in parliament were to go around protesting instead of doing their jobs?

 

[petros]

She should have been fired, 100%. She violated the terms of her job. Can you imagine how little would happen in government if every page in parliament were to go around protesting instead of doing their jobs?

MP's would die of thirst and have no clue what is on the day's dockett. WOW.

 

[mentalfloss]

Ok, just for the record, I went back to re-read the thread to see who - in my eyes - undisputedly wrote stuff in favor of Depape's protest. So far, I've only read the first 7 pages, and this is what I found. Interestingly, Mentalfloss hasn't actually come out in favor of her actions, yet I do consider most of his posts to have an air of admiration and support for Depape......is that an acurate assessment, Mentalfloss?

I'll be brutally honest here.

I support DePape inasmuch as I agree with her assessment of the current government and the responding youth movement.

Regarding her civil disobedience, sure it seems cool and it was a brilliant stunt that will allow me to laugh at conservative fervor for a long time to come, but I fully accept the parliamentary response of terminating her employment. Her 15 minutes are pretty much up, but she ended up launching a grassroots campaign that will continue to scrutinize the Harper government for the next four years.

The trick with the existing government is to put its citizens to sleep. With the NDP as the official spokesholes for the media, and these grassroots protests, you will continue to see a critical view of the Harper government to keep them in check. She's essentially ripped off the rug that government tries to quietly sweep their agenda under.

Once the discussion about her protest finally comes to rest, people will actually discuss the finer points of that agenda:

1.) The fiscally irresponsible military endeavours (Jets, foreign military encampments)
2.) Lack of transparency (the budget, media briefings)
3.) Cutting reliable and necessary social programs (negatively affecting healthcare)
4.) A flawed democracy (we should be moving to proportional representation)
5.) Environmental ignorance (not cutting emissions, minister of science doesn't believe in evolution)
6.) Tax reductions everywhere (the money's gotta come from somewhere)

And we haven't even gotten to the social conservatism yet.. drugs, prostitution, etc..

There is a lot of good meat in there that the average joe will open their eyes to, and begin to question parliamentary protocol beyond 'taxes, taxes, taxes'.

 

[JLM]

She should have been fired, 100%. She violated the terms of her job. Can you imagine how little would happen in government if every page in parliament were to go around protesting instead of doing their jobs?

Bloody right, nothing worse than some ungrateful young twit who is still wet behind the ears yapping off about something she/he knows very little about. While I agree sometimes it takes guts to speak up, it should be balanced with knowing what you are talking about and doing in as unoffensive manner as possible. Everyone has a mouth and everyone can make a sign neither of which shows intelligence. :smile:

 

[Colpy]

I'll be brutally honest here.

I support DePape inasmuch as I agree with her assessment of the current government and the responding youth movement.

Regarding her civil disobedience, sure it seems cool and it was a brilliant stunt that will allow me to laugh at conservative fervor for a long time to come, but I fully accept the parliamentary response of terminating her employment. Her 15 minutes are pretty much up, but she ended up launching a grassroots campaign that will continue to scrutinize the Harper government for the next four years.

The trick with the existing government is to put its citizens to sleep. With the NDP as the official spokesholes for the media, and these grassroots protests, you will continue to see a critical view of the Harper government to keep them in check. She's essentially ripped off the rug that government tries to quietly sweep their agenda under.

Once the discussion about her protest finally comes to rest, people will actually discuss the finer points of that agenda.

Oh give it a break!!!!!

Harper has been in power now for FIVE YEARS, albeit with a minority.

No hidden agenda.

Harper now has a SOLID majority, and has delivered the Speech from the Throne, and a budget........

No hidden agenda.

Harper hauled the rest of the Party solidly into the middle of the road, and has provided extremely moderate governance.

No hidden agenda.

What is it with you guys???? STILL Harping on the "hidden agenda". You have no imagination, no brains, no vision.....which is why the CPC will rule for the foreseeable future. Likewise the IDIOTS of the NDP, who couldn't keep watch over one of Harper's kittens, and who will shrink RADICALLY in the next election.....mark my words......(mostly to the benefit of the Liberals)

How about pulling your head out of your arses and challenge the REAL problems of the Harper gov't......such as the idiot "war on drugs" and mandatory sentencing, instead of mounting Dulcinea and charging the nearest bloody windmill.

GEEZUS!!!!!!!

 

[mentalfloss]

Lol.. I don't think I said 'hidden agenda' anywhere in my post.

And I think people would take you a bit more seriously if you didn't just make accusatory posts that are littered with caps flaming.

I also mentioned that drug policy should come into question as well.

C'mon man.. settle down a bit..

 

[lone wolf]

It wouldn't matter what you said. They'll fill in their own details and attribute them to you.

 

[Colpy]

Lol.. I don't think I said 'hidden agenda' anywhere in my post.
.

Bull****.

"She's essentially ripped off the rug that government tries to quietly sweep their agenda under."

It wouldn't matter what you said. They'll fill in their own details and attribute them to you.

See above.

Try again.

You guys can READ, can't you???????