Our cooling world

[darkbeaver]

Here's a graph I found. You can see the 11 year sunspot cylce pretty clearly.

Very nice thanks. I need surface area of the planet too. After supper I'll get to it. I'm looking for an idea of the lever CO2 represents, the calculation looks like it might get intense, I may need substances other than paper and lead

I suppose someone else has already done it but it's not the same as checking it by yourself yno.

 

[DaSleeper]

oh great... yet another drive-by specialist!

That's because we have all heard that bullshyt you're spewing......... for years ad nauseum...


Why don't you come up with something that hasn't been regurgitated dozens of times huh?

 

[gerryh]

Why don't you come up with something that hasn't been regurgitated dozens of times huh?

because the party line is all he knows. It's hard to think for yourself when you have always had others think for you, as is waldo's case. He's allowed those like Suzuki and Gore to do his thinking for him and to tell him what to think.

 

[waldo]

That's because we have all heard that bullshyt you're spewing......... for years ad nauseum...

Why don't you come up with something that hasn't been regurgitated dozens of times huh?

bullshyt? How so? Put me on ignore if you're that sensitive to real science.

because the party line is all he knows. It's hard to think for yourself when you have always had others think for you, as is waldo's case. He's allowed those like Suzuki and Gore to do his thinking for him and to tell him what to think.

so... something you don't agree with is "party line"? So... only fake-skeptics and deniers are capable of "thinking for themselves". So... only fake-skeptics and deniers are capable of independent thought and remain above the influence of any/all others? Gotcha chief! :lol:

 

[DaSleeper]

The problem with fanatics is the compulsion and need to be believed...why else keep an argument going for years on end?

 

[Zipperfish]

Very nice thanks. I need surface area of the planet too. After supper I'll get to it. I'm looking for an idea of the lever CO2 represents, the calculation looks like it might get intense, I may need substances other than paper and lead

I suppose someone else has already done it but it's not the same as checking it by yourself yno.

For the purposes of this calculation the surface area of the planet can be computed from the radius of the earth. The radius of the earth is 6371 km. Using 4*pi*R^2, that gives a surface area of 510 trillion square meters. Convert this from meters squared to inches squared (at 1550 square inches / meter squared) and you get a surface area of 7.906E18 inches squared.

Multiply that by 14.7 lbs/square inch and you get 1.162E19 lbs. Convert that to metric tonnes and you get 5.27E15 tonnes (or about 5.3 quadrillion tonnes) which is pretty close to the number you got.

Now CO2 makes up about 396 ppm (by volume). If you take into account the ratios of their resepctive molecular weights (29 g/mol for air and 44 g/mol for CO2), then this transpates to CO2 comprising 600 ppm (by mass). Multiply 600 ppm x 5.27E15 tonnes yields a total mass of CO2 of about 3000 GT.

Using the same calculation, it takes about 8 Gt of CO2 emissions to raise the CO2 by 1 ppm (by volume). The CO2 level goes up by about 1.5 to 2 ppm/year. Estimates for 2013 were that humans emitted about 36 Gt of CO2, I believe.

 

[petros]

Jeff Masters - Weather Underground:

This week's intense cold blast is being triggered by an unusually extreme jet stream pattern, featuring a sharp ridge of high pressure along the U.S. West Coast and a deep trough of low pressure diving to the south over the Central United States. This configuration allows cold air to spill out of the Arctic behind the trough into the Central U.S., and be replaced by anomalously warm air flowing northwards along the West Coast of the U.S. deep into the Arctic.

This extreme jet stream pattern is due, in part, to the influence of Super Typhoon Nuri, which caused a ripple effect on the jet stream after the typhoon became one of the most powerful extratropical storms ever recorded in the waters to the west of Alaska eleven days ago.

However, we've seen an unusual number of extreme jet stream patterns like this in the past fifteen years, which happens to coincide with the period of time we've been observing record loss of summertime Arctic sea ice and record retreat of springtime snow cover in the Arctic. Could it be that these changes in the Arctic are causing the wacky jet stream behaviorists of recent years? That's the theory being advanced by a number of prominent climate scientists.

If Arctic changes are truly to blame for wacky jet stream behavior, losing the remaining 50 percent of the Arctic sea-ice coverage between now and 2030 will bring even greater antics. If the Arctic is not involved, that is worrisome as well—because that means jet stream changes are due to an unknown mechanism, leaving us with no idea how the jet stream will respond as climate change progresses. Thus, my forecast for the next 15 years: expect the unprecedented.​

Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs)

Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) reach Earth affecting planetary magnetics, sparking geomagnetic storms, shifting ocean and jet stream currents in the Pacific Ring of Fire, creating unusual and extreme global weather patterns, creating unstoppable Earth changes, and affecting the behavior patterns of all sentient life forms

Wink wink.

 

[waldo]

any correlation between CMEs & recent years jet-stream shifts and resultant weather, particularly in association with "blocking events" that up the extreme ante on that weather? Wink wink

 

[petros]

CME and the all day, every day solar especially over the last century with an increase of up to 20%.

But hey...it's man doing it. Right? Nothing really really wonky going on geophysically, it's man. Nothing but man.

 

[waldo]

CME and the all day, every day solar especially over the last century with an increase of up to 20%.

But hey...it's man doing it. Right? Nothing really really wonky going on geophysically, it's man. Nothing but man.

there's certainly a lot of the 'scientist man' doing research on jet-stream shifts and possible causal ties to extreme weather. Is the scientist man investigating possible ties between jet-stream shifts/extreme weather and CMEs... anything published?

 

[petros]

Of course. NASA ESA BK RGRS etc

Would you agree a CME is an increase in solar radiation? Is there any other way that solar radiation can increase to tinker with jetstreams over long periods of time or even very rapidly like a CME?

Any idear what is going on here?

 

[captain morgan]

CME and the all day, every day solar especially over the last century with an increase of up to 20%.

But hey...it's man doing it. Right? Nothing really really wonky going on geophysically, it's man. Nothing but man.

Really simple..... Can't tax the Sun.

 

[JLM]

Of course. NASA ESA BK RGRS etc

Would you agree a CME is an increase in solar radiation? Is there any other way that solar radiation can increase to tinker with jetstreams over long periods of time or even very rapidly like a CME?

Any idear what is going on here?

I haven't got a f**kin' clue!

 

[petros]

That is the heavily weakened magnetosphere (in blue) over the western hemisphere last winter when we had the "polar vortex" and a bizarre hot spot over the Indian Ocean in red.

It doesn't show the breaches were there was absolutely no magnet protection from solar radiation the can alter jetstreams and ocean currents at all.

Things aren't getting better anytime soon either.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-times-faster-thought-Western-Hemisphere.html

 

[tay]

Despite a bitter U.S. cold snap, the globe is rushing hell-bent toward its warmest year on record with last month setting the fifth monthly heat record of year.


The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Thursday that last month was the hottest October on record worldwide. The 58.43 degrees Fahrenheit (14.74 Celsius) beat out October 2003.



“It is becoming pretty clear that 2014 will end up as the warmest year on record,” said Deke Arndt, climate monitoring chief for NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, North Carolina. “The remaining question is: How much?”


With only two months left in the year, 2014 has now surged ahead as the globe’s warmest year so far.




WASHINGTON: Despite recent cold, world continues to rush toward warmest year ever | World | The News Tribune

 

[petros]

Move that to a warming thread. This is cooling.

 

[JLM]

And 2015 may be the coolest year on record.

 

[petros]

This sh-t will change climate in a hurry.

 

[captain morgan]

Despite a bitter U.S. cold snap, the globe is rushing hell-bent toward its warmest year on record with last month setting the fifth monthly heat record of year.

If only we had the foresight to make more bank transfers in September, none of this would have happened.

Why doesn't anyone ever think of the children?!

 

[waldo]

there's certainly a lot of the 'scientist man' doing research on jet-stream shifts and possible causal ties to extreme weather. Is the scientist man investigating possible ties between jet-stream shifts/extreme weather and CMEs... anything published?

Of course. NASA ESA BK RGRS etc

​

of course what? Again, given the significant increase in recent years extreme weather... being attributed by many to shifting jet-streams and blocking patterns holding storms in place for many days, scientists have been working to discover possible causal ties to the jet-stream shifting coincident with blocking events. Again, notwithstanding your "of course", can you provide examples of recent published study investigating possible ties between jet-stream shifts/extreme weather and CMEs... anything published?