Osama bin Laden is dead.

[EagleSmack]

For the last time I am not leading or even supporting any of the actions, in fact I just went and voted against the current political leadership of our country and for someone who will get us the hell out of these international conflicts. You obviously lack the intelligence to see that you cannot blame the actions of our leader (who only had 37% of the vote) as the will of me or the majority of Canadians. I understand it is very hard for you to think for yourself in any clear and logical manner but give it a try. Is everything done by Obama, Bush, Clinton, Carter, etc on your shoulders? Did you disagree with any of what any of them did but still claim responsibility for it. Be real here, you don't like what I have to say and the only way you can deal with it is to try to lump me in with those that support your assinine wars.

Not so easy. Paint with a broad brush... prepare to be painted with a broad brush.

Have some integrity and own up.

So feel free to go to the american west and give a few a good killing, that is where your government has jurisdiction.

We'll go where we need to. Understood?

Feel free to come for a visit and see my service medals from deployments to Cyprus and Bosnia to prove my cowardice and take a peek at my university degree to prove my lack of education.

Oh please. All you want to do with these folks is appease them. So what if you got deployed. Everyone gets deployed if they are in the military. Cyprus must have been awful. lol

A university degree makes you smart? You're as dumb as a rock.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Nick, you wouldn't believe it unless you personally performed the autopsy. Even then I doubt it.

I will believe it when real and legitimate independant proof is given to the public for consideration, until such time it is government propaganda which may or may not be true.

The FBI took a sample from his sister when she died a couple years back in a US hospital due to cancer. Do some research

Osama Bin Laden's body 'identified by sister's brain' - Telegraph

'When his sister, who has not been named, died from brain cancer several years ago in Boston the FBI immediately subpoenaed her body so that it could later be used to identify the al-Qaeda leader if he was caught, it was claimed. The brain was preserved and tissue and blood samples taken from it were used to compile a DNA profile, ABC News reported.

The tissue sample was reportedly then matched to the DNA of the man shot dead by US troops in a raid on bin Laden's compound in Pakistan."

I was obviously unaware of this possible sample. Is there direct independant evidence that it was in fact his sister? Of course you have to remember that comparing my DNA to my sister can prove we are related but not if it is me or my brother.

I also have to question how DNA analysis that normally takes weeks to months to accomplish with any accuracy is achieved in less than 24 hours. The transcriptase process alone requires 72 hours to replicate the DNA strands and is usually done multiple times to verify accuracy and rule out contamination.

 

[EagleSmack]

I will believe it when real and legitimate independant proof is given to the public for consideration, until such time it is government propaganda which may or may not be true.

Yeah Nick... you're brilliant.

 

[darkbeaver]

Let the conspiracy nuts start blogging.

You will no doubt be disappointed and shocked to learn that you are without any doubt "a conspiracy nut" of the highest but opposite order. Every ****ty little fable about terrorism you suck up like the giant Filter Queen you obviously take pains to emulate. Yes you are an official conspiracy Hoover yerownseff. Buried at sea! Jumpin jesus in jackboots! my dog wouldn't believe such rubbish

 

[DurkaDurka]

I was obviously unaware of this possible sample. Is there direct independant evidence that it was in fact his sister? Of course you have to remember that comparing my DNA to my sister can prove we are related but not if it is me or my brother.

I also have to question how DNA analysis that normally takes weeks to months to accomplish with any accuracy is achieved in less than 24 hours. The transcriptase process alone requires 72 hours to replicate the DNA strands and is usually done multiple times to verify accuracy and rule out contamination.

"So how does DNA matching work? Unlike traditional DNA sequencing, which is the lengthy and expensive process of mapping each of the hundreds of millions of nucleotides in your entire genome, DNA matching homes in on the small fraction of genetic markers that make you unique (99.9% of your DNA sequence looks like everyone else's).

Read more: How DNA Tests Identified Osama bin Laden's Dead Body - - TIME Healthland"
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[PoliticalNick]

Oh please. All you want to do with these folks is appease them. So what if you got deployed. Everyone gets deployed if they are in the military. Cyprus must have been awful. lol

Cyprus sucked, the food gave me heartburn 24/7, terrible heat and humidity. Bosnia on the other hand actually was terrible, the atrocities I saw there made me realize that all war is stupid and nothing more than murder because someone disagrees with you.

A university degree makes you smart? You're as dumb as a rock.

I'm sure a rock does look well educated to you after your indocrination, brainwashing and lobotomy to get into the US marine cult. Did they cut off your dick too?

 

[darkbeaver]

DNA can be faked, it's an unreliable method, junk science really. They would hardly announce the results if they were negative in any case. The mans been dead for a decade already. Will Hitler be discovered living in an English boarding house next week?

 

[karrie]

I was under the impression (admittedly might be a mistaken impression) that publishing pictures of specific dead enemies was not considered 'legal' while at war.

 

[PoliticalNick]

"So how does DNA matching work? Unlike traditional DNA sequencing, which is the lengthy and expensive process of mapping each of the hundreds of millions of nucleotides in your entire genome, DNA matching homes in on the small fraction of genetic markers that make you unique (99.9% of your DNA sequence looks like everyone else's).

Read more: How DNA Tests Identified Osama bin Laden's Dead Body - - TIME Healthland"​

Typical lab-based DNA matching tests like this can take up to 14 days; they're painstaking and need to be repeated several times to ensure the sample's not contaminated from any other DNA sources. But that's not necessarily the only way to do these tests: late in 2010, a University of Arizona team presented research on a machine that can do the analysis in just two hours in a largely automated way. It's possible that knowing they were engaged on a mission to capture bin Laden, U.S. forces arranged for access to a machine like this to be on quick alert — probably for flying blood, cheek cells, and other samples taken from the body to the lab for expedited analysis.

It would seem that there must have been some real hurry-up mindset and premeditation to have one of these machines readily available. If they were only invented in the last year or so there can't be many in the world if any are even available outside the US or even outside the U of Az. It really does seem like one of those things that is 'to good to be true' and you know what they say about such things.

I have to say that there are just far too many things left open for question to declare uncontravertable evidence of his death in this event and it could have all been put to rest in a simple manner by inviting international journalists to view the body prior to any burial or disposal. I can only interpret the handling of this as a complete lack of foresight by the US government or an outright lie for whatever propaganda reasons they may have had. My guess is we will never really know the truth or have conclusive proof and it will be debated just as long as the Kennedy assasination.

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[Colpy]

The view from one very much dealing with reality.....an excellent piece, btw.

It is to the credit of the Obama administration and my colleagues in the CIA’s counterterrorism centre (CTC) that despite Pakistan’s duplicity, they were able to locate and kill him. And kill him they did. This is how you fight a war with transnational terrorist entities. You find them and you kill them. It’s that plain and simple. Israel for its part, has been roundly criticized by the same people who are cheering in the streets as the U.S. celebrates what critics of Israel’s methods term, “unilateral extra-judicial assassinations.” This is how it should be for terrorists with blood on their hands and the desire and intent to do so again. Despite the stigma of carrying out this kind of operation, the U.S. did what was right.

My emphasis

Michael Ross: Obama strikes a blow against duplicity in Pakistan | Full Comment | National Post

 

[PoliticalNick]

I was under the impression (admittedly might be a mistaken impression) that publishing pictures of specific dead enemies was not considered 'legal' while at war.

I think you would have noticed by their actions over the last 10 years that the US does not care about the legality of war or even the treatment of it's own citizens, why would publishing a picture (fake or real) bother them now?

The view from one very much dealing with reality.....an excellent piece, btw.

It is to the credit of the Obama administration and my colleagues in the CIA’s counterterrorism centre (CTC) that despite Pakistan’s duplicity, they were able to locate and kill him. And kill him they did. This is how you fight a war with transnational terrorist entities. You find them and you kill them. It’s that plain and simple. Israel for its part, has been roundly criticized by the same people who are cheering in the streets as the U.S. celebrates what critics of Israel’s methods term, “unilateral extra-judicial assassinations.” This is how it should be for terrorists with blood on their hands and the desire and intent to do so again. Despite the stigma of carrying out this kind of operation, the U.S. did what was right.

My emphasis

Michael Ross: Obama strikes a blow against duplicity in Pakistan | Full Comment | National Post

So from this Colpy if a group supported, aided and funded by a muslim nation takes out Obama for invading muslim countries then it is quite alright by you because they view the US govt as international terrorists against them.

 

[karrie]

I think you would have noticed by their actions over the last 10 years that the US does not care about the legality of war or even the treatment of it's own citizens, why would publishing a picture (fake or real) bother them now?

It's interesting that you managed to slander the US without actually addressing the question or providing incidents of when they have published the photos of named dead enemies.

 

[Colpy]

I think you would have noticed by their actions over the last 10 years that the US does not care about the legality of war or even the treatment of it's own citizens, why would publishing a picture (fake or real) bother them now?



So from this Colpy if a group supported, aided and funded by a muslim nation takes out Obama for invading muslim countries then it is quite alright by you because they view the US govt as international terrorists against them.

I don't play the idiot relativist game.

I actually know which side I'm on, and which side is defending the greatest civilization that ever existed on earth, that has made its people rich and free.......

Yep, I'm a little chauvinistic when that civilization is pitted against a group of nutcases from a civilization that has actually backslid since the year 1400, especially when that evil is growing.........and carried the war to us.

If you want to spend your time playing apologist for people that would make your wife and daughters wear a tent in public, that have no concept of freedom of thought, well......feel free.

That is the society you live in.

Lucky you.

 

[JLM]

I just saw him at Costco in Kamloops.:lol:

Him or the twin brother?

DNA can be faked, it's an unreliable method, junk science really. They would hardly announce the results if they were negative in any case. The mans been dead for a decade already. Will Hitler be discovered living in an English boarding house next week?

If he is he'll be about 122 years old!

 

[PoliticalNick]

It's interesting that you managed to slander the US without actually addressing the question or providing incidents of when they have published the photos of named dead enemies.

You call it slander, I call it exposing them for the truth of what they are.
I do not know of any published photo's or video of dead enemies but I think there was stuff released of Saddam ( I could be wrong about that). From what I understand if you ask any officials regarding adherence to the Geneva Conventions regarding war the standard response it that we, nor the US, is in a war right now and so the GC's have no force and effect. It is a defensive police action without any declaration of war on any front therefore they are not bound to act in accordance with any rules of engagement or anything set down in the GC's.

I don't play the idiot relativist game.

Yeah you were the kid at road hockey that when losing the game simply declared 'it's my ball and my net and I'm taking them home...I win' or made up silly rules like you could score form anywhere but your opponent could only score from their side of center. You want one set of rules to benefit you for you and another set to benefit you against them. What's good for the goose....

I actually know which side I'm on, and which side is defending the greatest civilization that ever existed on earth, that has made its people rich and free.......

Would that be Roman, Egyptian, Persian, one of the Chinese dynasties, the colonial British empire or one of the many others that existed 5-10 times longer than the US has been around? I am on the side of humanity not some geo-political entity and don't believe bombing and killing and invasion is any way to promote peace in the world. You babble about freedom while allowing the govt to remove your freedoms and supporting the oppression of entire peoples around the world in order to exploit their natural resources, pretty hypocritical.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr

Surely we can rise above the gloating and the chest thumping. Let's leave that for the crazy fundamentalists on both sides. If this story is true, and I'm not 100% sure that it is, then we can find comfort in the fact he won't be a threat anymore and leave it at that.

Next up Khadafi I suppose. Sounds like an overblown episode of Mantracker fer chriiisssake! 10 years to find Bin Laden. Gimme a break!! Mantracker would have found him in the one hour slotted time.

Just curious, how did Bin Laden manage to build a huge house complete with beefed up security system right on the outskirts of Islamabad without raising some suspicion among the locals?

 

[JLM]

I want to make sure I understand you Nick................You are saying that OBL is still alive? Can you provide the link?

 

[MHz]

More like a false flag operation.
Fake Picture Used As Osama Bin Laden Was On A Forum In 2010! (Pics) :

 

[PoliticalNick]

I want to make sure I understand you Nick................You are saying that OBL is still alive? Can you provide the link?

You obviously misunderstand so I will try to clarify.

I do not know 100% for sure if he is dead or alive, I doubt we will ever have any hard evidence since his body was disposed of, and I really don't care. He has/had become a marginalized, ineffective leader of a phantom group of groups so even if he is dead it will change nothing for the good and only heighten the ability of the radicals to recruit more people to their cause.

What I do disagree with wholeheartedly is the celebration of his death and proposed degradation of his corpse by those that hold themselves so high above him morally yet sink beneath his level. Anyone with any humanity and honor does not celebrate the death of a fallen foe but mourns the loss of any life.

 

[JLM]

You obviously misunderstand so I will try to clarify.

I do not know 100% for sure if he is dead or alive, I doubt we will ever have any hard evidence since his body was disposed of, and I really don't care. He has/had become a marginalized, ineffective leader of a phantom group of groups so even if he is dead it will change nothing for the good and only heighten the ability of the radicals to recruit more people to their cause.

What I do disagree with wholeheartedly is the celebration of his death and proposed degradation of his corpse by those that hold themselves so high above him morally yet sink beneath his level. Anyone with any humanity and honor does not celebrate the death of a fallen foe but mourns the loss of any life.

While you have a perfect right to that OPINION, the relatives of the 2800 dead, may have a different opinion which I'd be more inclined to respect. Personally I don't put him in the same class of warrior as someone like Napolean or Alexander the Great.