Most hard drug addicts are business people who function quite normally, at least as normal as can be for living in an insane society like our urban funny farms. The poor drug addicts you see on the news are poor, malnourished and often suffer from mental illness. They are not your usual drug addicts.
One of my nuttier political opinions.
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Most hard drug addicts are business people who function quite normally, at least as normal as can be for living in an insane society like our urban funny farms. The poor drug addicts you see on the news are poor, malnourished and often suffer from mental illness. They are not your usual drug addicts.
So basically you are saying legalize any law that the police are having trouble enforcing and put it under government control?
So then you want to get rid of driving while intoxicated laws.
Prostitution laws.
Rape laws.
So what you are really saying is living under anarchy where anything goes would be better for society as a whole. Right
So then you want to get rid of driving while intoxicated laws.
Prostitution laws.
Rape laws.
So what you are really saying is living under anarchy where anything goes would be better for society as a whole. Right
I'ld vote for anarchy but after reading some of the post on this forum I realized that we are too immature to handle that kind of freedom.
Drugs like crystal meth, ecstasy, pot, cocaine etc are on the market and people do not know what is in them. People are spending a lot of money to get high and putting poisons in their bodies. We can all buy safe alcohol from, gosh, the gov't. So other drugs have to be regulated and made safe too. This is no longer radical as far as I am concerned.
Niflmir, perhaps for you it's a nutty opinion, but there is some sense in it. If illegal drugs were legalized and treated in the same sort of manner as our foods are, I bet that things would be a little better. Legalisation would sure take the wind out of the sails of people such as the Taliban and the drug sectors of organised crime.
I take cocaine use to be serious, I have seen too many good soldiers/marines go off the deep end and get themselves killed not to mention having their careers ruined for using it. It is addictive, impairs judgment and it is not a soft drug no matter what anyone says. Yes, I have been responsible for turning in anyone under my command I caught using anything stronger than marijuana (and that depending on what we were doing). It probably saved mine and others lives. There are those who endorse the use of marijuana ok maybe, now cocaine. Where does it stop.
It stops when you stop using fallacious appeals to anecdotal evidence and look for real evidence.
Ironsides, evidently you are in some kind of military unit. You have some misconceptions about legalizing drugs. Legalization does not mean blanket legalization; it could still be banned in some instances.
Look at alcohol or tobacco. They re legal, but are prohibited in many circumstances. Just as you reported soldiers for drug use, I am sure you probably would report somebody for alcohol use as well (especially if done while on active duty). If you observed somebody taking a swig of alcohol while cocking his rifle, or while piloting the ship, I am sure you would report him.
So legalization of drugs means legalization under some conditions, with regulations controlling its use. Even if legal, drugs would still be subjected to similar restrictions as alcohol or tobacco.
Look at alcohol or tobacco. They re legal, but are prohibited in many circumstances. Just as you reported soldiers for drug use, I am sure you probably would report somebody for alcohol use as well (especially if done while on active duty). If you observed somebody taking a swig of alcohol while cocking his rifle, or while piloting the ship, I am sure you would report him.
So legalization of drugs means legalization under some conditions, with regulations controlling its use. Even if legal, drugs would still be subjected to similar restrictions as alcohol or tobacco.
I am a retired Marine. Cocaine is a long term addictive drug that effects someone for weeks or months. With alcohol, you stop drinking and within hours 24 at most your ready to resume normal duties unless of course your an alcoholic in which case your in rehab. Tobacco was never a problem. I do not want to see the goverment turn the genie loose.
I'm open to any well thought out strategy to eradicate drug addiction (that includes to nicotine and alcohol). Whether it's done through criminalization, legalization, decriminalization, etc. is a secondary matter> I'll admit too that I'm relatively ignorant of the latest drug policy research in this field.
Why exactly didn't you include caffeine or theobromine?
One cannot eradicate addiction, one can only deal with the problems that arise and prohibition fails to do so.
Legalizing it will not stop organized crime, it will be taxed and those connected will get it cheaper, crime will just shift to something better that we will eventually be legalized also using the same argument down the road. . No one is being forced to do anything. There is no need for recreational drugs, if your live needs enhancement of some sort there are plenty of other ways to kill yourself without involving the public. Life alone should be all the feeling good you need.
Another nutty opinion
I am not interested in drugs, but I have thought for a long time that we ought to give judges the power to decide if a criminal was incorrigable. Hopeless, in other words.
Why doesn't the US and/or Canada buy an isolated island in the south Pacific somewhere, and dump them? Cuts down on the costs of keeping them in prison, and they can fight it out on their own turf. I'm not saying let them starve to death - send a ship by with supplies once a month.
I wonder what would happen.:roll: It also eliminates the death penalty, which so many of you dislike.
Uncle
I am not interested in drugs, but I have thought for a long time that we ought to give judges the power to decide if a criminal was incorrigable. Hopeless, in other words.
Why doesn't the US and/or Canada buy an isolated island in the south Pacific somewhere, and dump them? Cuts down on the costs of keeping them in prison, and they can fight it out on their own turf. I'm not saying let them starve to death - send a ship by with supplies once a month.
I wonder what would happen.:roll: It also eliminates the death penalty, which so many of you dislike.
Uncle
People who read these forums know by now that I am fairly conservative. I do not use drugs. I do not smoke. I indulge in a daily fix for caffeine, and a weekly (admittedly, sometimes more frequent) partaking of alcohol.
I never touched any illegal drugs in my life. I would love to see them eradicated from the face of the Earth.
But I am also a realist. I know that it can not be done. I also know that joining those you can not beat is not necessarily a surrender, but perhaps a time out for regroup.
So, SURPRISE! I agree: let us legalize currently illegal drugs, tax the Hell out of the users of same. Let them pay for it more legally, than they pay for it now, illegally.
Why? Because that may give me a tax relief. I worked all my life, paid my taxes, hoped to enjoy my "golden years" only to find that year after year the Bernie Madoffs in Ottawa - aka CRA - tax me again and again in order to support the habitual freeloaders, hookers, pimps and addicts. Plus free abortions.
I never touched any illegal drugs in my life. I would love to see them eradicated from the face of the Earth.
But I am also a realist. I know that it can not be done. I also know that joining those you can not beat is not necessarily a surrender, but perhaps a time out for regroup.
So, SURPRISE! I agree: let us legalize currently illegal drugs, tax the Hell out of the users of same. Let them pay for it more legally, than they pay for it now, illegally.
Why? Because that may give me a tax relief. I worked all my life, paid my taxes, hoped to enjoy my "golden years" only to find that year after year the Bernie Madoffs in Ottawa - aka CRA - tax me again and again in order to support the habitual freeloaders, hookers, pimps and addicts. Plus free abortions.
Jack you're threatening an important member of my medical team with eradication. Now if you were to suggest such a thing to the medical users of cannabis you would be drawn, quartered, staked. Some of those old people are very very militant about their medicine. I have a shock for you, one day soon cannabis will cost the same as potatoes and carrots two more drug laced evil vegetables, and children will eat it just as they did with cod liver oil.
darkbeaver, you quoted me, and then you came up with this:
"Jack you're threatening an important member of my medical team with eradication. Now if you were to suggest such a thing to the medical users of cannabis you would be drawn, quartered, staked. Some of those old people are very very militant about their medicine. I have a shock for you, one day soon cannabis will cost the same as potatoes and carrots two more drug laced evil vegetables, and children will eat it just as they did with cod liver oil."
Please clarify.
"Jack you're threatening an important member of my medical team with eradication. Now if you were to suggest such a thing to the medical users of cannabis you would be drawn, quartered, staked. Some of those old people are very very militant about their medicine. I have a shock for you, one day soon cannabis will cost the same as potatoes and carrots two more drug laced evil vegetables, and children will eat it just as they did with cod liver oil."
Please clarify.
Many people have found the medicinal power of cannabis treats their diseases far better than synthetics. It is very important to them that it become easier and cheaper to get. The science is conclusive about the power of cannabis it is used by many in the treatment of cancer where it is widely reported as a cure in many many instances, particularly brain cancer.
Now the only reason at all for it's status as an ilegle substance is and was purely to protect the pharmasueticle industry and boost it's profits by denying redily available natural medicinals. It is a very effective medicine that has been kept from needy people. If not for the ilegle label there would be no crime associated with it and very little abuse. It would cost the same per pound as potatoes. Have you ever heard of viscious driveby shootings by potatoe or carrot gangs?