Old guns

[jjaycee98]

Find a Gunsmith and replace with authentic parts. Home made replacements lower the value.

Anyone with an interest in guns would enjoy the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody, Wyoming. Huge collection of all the major manufacturers.

 

[#juan]

I guess the accuracy is off a smidgeon? lol

It's not too bad. The bullets don't come out sideways yet but when the rifle is cleaned the rifling groves are almost invisible. I would imagine that powder residue and a bit of moisture has corroded that last inch of the barrel over the last forty years or so. My brother shot a deer with it two years ago so the accuracy can't be too awful.

 

[AnnaG]

It's not too bad. The bullets don't come out sideways yet but when the rifle is cleaned the rifling groves are almost invisible. I would imagine that powder residue and a bit of moisture has corroded that last inch of the barrel over the last forty years or so. My brother shot a deer with it two years ago so the accuracy can't be too awful.

I found a little bit about recrowning here in the second post, but some other useful info.

Surplusrifleforum.com • View topic - M1 muzzle wear advice

 

[bobnoorduyn]

You can have them reblued. We need our M94 reblued, too. A neighbor does rebluing. In the meantime we have covered the bare spots with Bostik Topcote.

The blueing isn't totally worn off, and it kind of gives the gun character.

 

[AnnaG]

The blueing isn't totally worn off, and it kind of gives the gun character.

Yup. New bluing is sure pretty, though. Much nicer than the "browning" the guns used to get. And I love the "golding" (titanium oxide I think) of my Eagle (it's black and gold).

Browned gun:

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My Baby Eagle looks like this:

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Now, I have never tried this myself, because I've never had a firearm in that condition, but I have been told that it's only one inch or two at the tip of the barrel that gets worn like that and if you cut of that worn piece and mill the end of the barrel to round it off and replace the front sight, you can end up with a fairly accurate rifle...
I would appreciate Colpy's opinion on this....

I know that you can drop a factory 30-30 round into the barrel right up to the crimp, that is because the the bullet is smaller ahead of the cannalure and is only .308 diameter behind it. I have tried the same stlye of bullets in different firearms and don't like them because they have a smaller bearing surface and are less accurate. They may be made this way for the the 30-30 specifically if there is little or no free bore in the chamber. I have no experience with them so I can't advise, but all I can say is that it is the only gun I've been able to do that with. That you can drop the entire cartridge up to the shoulder, again, hmmmm.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

I have a Civil War era Enfield.

A Musket? Cool, I'd like to see that, I have a dress sword and scabbard dated 1865, my dad's step mom gave the matching pistols to someone else after Grampa died, (they were his) because she thought we couldn't import them to Canada, I don't think he ever forgave her. I' sure like to have them, and to know who in our family actually carried them. I'll probably never find that out, all I know for sure is that he fought for the North.

 

[EagleSmack]

A Musket? Cool, I'd like to see that, I have a dress sword and scabbard dated 1865, my dad's step mom gave the matching pistols to someone else after Grampa died, (they were his) because she thought we couldn't import them to Canada, I don't think he ever forgave her. I' sure like to have them, and to know who in our family actually carried them. I'll probably never find that out, all I know for sure is that he fought for the North.

I must confess it is a replica. It is a fully working, muzzle loaded civil war era rifle. I've never fired it though but do plan to someday.

Civil War geneolgy is pretty easy to trace. The muster rolls are all available. You just have to be willing to start.

 

[AnnaG]

Here's a pic of a .69 caliber M1 Springfield like the oldest critter we have. Ours is missing the ramrod and has a broken mainspring, though. We've though about getting a replica, but haven't acted on it yet.

 

[Risus]

i had a few old historical rifles which I turned in earlier this year to the police in the guns for pixels program. The guns did nothing for me, the camera will.

 

[AnnaG]

i had a few old historical rifles which I turned in earlier this year to the police in the guns for pixels program. The guns did nothing for me, the camera will.

Cool. I bet a couple RCMP are happy with that decision, too. ""Ok, guys, I claim dibs on that one. It'll look good on my mantel". Another one says, "That one's no good, it can go into the storage as a seized weapon".

 

[#juan]

Here's a pic of a .69 caliber M1 Springfield like the oldest critter we have. Ours is missing the ramrod and has a broken mainspring, though. We've though about getting a replica, but haven't acted on it yet.

Is that a flintlock or a caplock? I'm not that familiar with older rifles.

 

[taxslave]

Cool. I bet a couple RCMP are happy with that decision, too. ""Ok, guys, I claim dibs on that one. It'll look good on my mantel". Another one says, "That one's no good, it can go into the storage as a seized weapon".

My stupid cousin did that with her father's 3030 that we called meat in the pot. And an unregistered 45S&W that he had since the early thirties. Good score for some cop.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Aw man, I've got a 1917 vintage Lee Enfield bolt action .303 I got from my father-in-law's estate. The wooden stock goes almost all the way out to the end of the barrel. It needs re-blueing and the wood needs refinishing, it saw some hard use in WW1, but its accuracy is unimpaired and it's an excellent deer rifle. It's a fine piece of hardware.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Is that a flintlock or a caplock? I'm not that familiar with older rifles.

That would be a cap lock, the flint lock is identifiable by the flint on the hammer and the striking surface, (I think it's called the frizzen, but I'mnot sure) which when struck flips up and exposes the ensuing spark to the powder in the flash pan, where the expression for a misfire, a flash in the pan came from. The cap and nipple replaced all that and is more reliable because the the priming powder in the pan could get wet in inclement weather, hence the other expression, keep your powder dry.

I built a .54 cal Hawken Cap lock from a kit by Thompson Centre. Sweet rifle but it needs constant up keep from the dampness out here.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Aw man, I've got a 1917 vintage Lee Enfield bolt action .303 I got from my father-in-law's estate. The wooden stock goes almost all the way out to the end of the barrel. It needs re-blueing and the wood needs refinishing, it saw some hard use in WW1, but its accuracy is unimpaired and it's an excellent deer rifle. It's a fine piece of hardware.

I got a WWI P-14 in .303 British. These old rifles, when cleaned, are quite accurate. They have deep rifleling and were designed for lots of shooting. I've seen folks have a bit of trouble with some Lee Enfeilds, the action starts to get stiff when they get hot after firing 15 or more rounds in quick succession. Your wooden stock going to the end would suggest it hasen't been sporterized as many have. Some still have wood on the top of the barrel as well, keeps you from burning your hands after shooting.

 

[Risus]

Cool. I bet a couple RCMP are happy with that decision, too. ""Ok, guys, I claim dibs on that one. It'll look good on my mantel". Another one says, "That one's no good, it can go into the storage as a seized weapon".

The RCMP had nothing to do with the program. It was Metro Toronto Police, and the weapons were destroyed.

 

[Nuggler]

Is that a flintlock or a caplock? I'm not that familiar with older rifles.

looks like a caplock as I don't see any frizzen. 8OKood be rong.

 

[AnnaG]

Is that a flintlock or a caplock? I'm not that familiar with older rifles.

Caplock. Hammer hits a cap on the nipple as opposed to the frizzen or cock holding the flint hitting the steel which throws sparks onto the powder in the pan.
Flintlock:

Caplock:

 

[AnnaG]

Aw man, I've got a 1917 vintage Lee Enfield bolt action .303 I got from my father-in-law's estate. The wooden stock goes almost all the way out to the end of the barrel. It needs re-blueing and the wood needs refinishing, it saw some hard use in WW1, but its accuracy is unimpaired and it's an excellent deer rifle. It's a fine piece of hardware.

Yeah. The full length stock are called Mannlicher stocks. They do tend to keep good accuracy as almost or all of the barrel is bedded. It is also good protection for the barrel.