Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit

[Just the Facts]

ID's been provided for those that needed it ages ago.

Has it? Your say so is the first I've heard of that. Other than the ID allegedly being presented to factcheck.org. I wonder if the next time I get pulled over, the cop will be satisfied if I tell him I'll email a scanned copy of my driver's license, ownership and insurance to factcheck.org. He can look it up there.

 

[gerryh]

Has it? Your say so is the first I've heard of that. Other than the ID allegedly being presented to factcheck.org. I wonder if the next time I get pulled over, the cop will be satisfied if I tell him I'll email a scanned copy of my driver's license, ownership and insurance to factcheck.org. He can look it up there.

You're right..how silly of me...... He's managed to make it through the Democratic convention and right upto the week before the election for the President of the united states without EVER having to prove to ANYONE that he is a natural born american citizen.

Obviously americans are even more stupid than I thought.

 

[talloola]

You're right..how silly of me...... He's managed to make it through the Democratic convention and right upto the week before the election for the President of the united states without EVER having to prove to ANYONE that he is a natural born american citizen.

Obviously americans are even more stupid than I thought.

I'm sure that, when he officially put his name in as the candidate for leader of the democratic
party, then on to president, one would think, that 'everyone' would have had to present their
official birth information, so why would you say he has never proved to anyone that he is a
natural born citizen, I haven't read back through previous posts today, so is there some proof
that he didn't?
Anyone can file a law suit against almost anyone, so at this point it doesn't really mean anything, and didn't the judge throw the law suit out?
the McCain group is jumping around and around, bill ayres, rev. wright, birth certificate, oh
my oh my, what's next, 'murder'?. Ask Hannity, he will be all for it.

 

[gerryh]

I'm sure that, when he officially put his name in as the candidate for leader of the democratic
party, then on to president, one would think, that 'everyone' would have had to present their
official birth information, so why would you say he has never proved to anyone that he is a
natural born citizen, I haven't read back through previous posts today, so is there some proof
that he didn't?
Anyone can file a law suit against almost anyone, so at this point it doesn't really mean anything, and didn't the judge throw the law suit out?
the McCain group is jumping around and around, bill ayres, rev. wright, birth certificate, oh
my oh my, what's next, 'murder'?. Ask Hannity, he will all for it.

:roll:

 

[Just the Facts]

I'm sure that, when he officially put his name in as the candidate for leader of the democratic
party, then on to president, one would think, that 'everyone' would have had to present their
official birth information, so why would you say he has never proved to anyone that he is a
natural born citizen, I haven't read back through previous posts today, so is there some proof
that he didn't?

I don't know, but I'll let you know if I find out. :lol:
As incredible as it sounds, it appears to be the case.

Anyone can file a law suit against almost anyone, so at this point it doesn't really mean anything, and didn't the judge throw the law suit out?

He threw the case out on a technicality, basically saying that an individual American citizen has no business asking questions about a potential future president. :smile:

the McCain group is jumping around and around, bill ayres, rev. wright, birth certificate, oh
my oh my, what's next, 'murder'?. Ask Hannity, he will be all for it.

Really? I don't think the McCain group is involved.

 

[Ron in Regina]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States
took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama’s lawyers to
produce a “vault” copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.

Instead of responding, lawyers for Obama and the DNC asked the court to dismiss the case. But
Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has issued no ruling in the case that
would have given Obama’s lawyers more time.

The 30-day deadline for defendants to comply with a discovery request is set forth in the Federal
Rules of Civil Procedures.

However, the 2007 document produced by the Obama campaign omits key information that normally
appears on birth certificates in the United States, including the name of the hospital where he was
born, the size and weight of the baby, and sometimes the name of the doctor who delivered him.

In addition, the critics of the 2007 document note that Obama's father is described as “African,” aterm
used today. The formal language in official documents at the time — 1961 — would have identified his
race as “Negro” or “Colored.”
Source: Newsmax.com – Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit

Why not just produce the proper document to the court as requested, and make the whole issue just
go away? Make the Republicans look like fools, etc...Why even give the public a reason to doubt???

 

[talloola]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States
took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama’s lawyers to
produce a “vault” copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.

Instead of responding, lawyers for Obama and the DNC asked the court to dismiss the case. But
Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has issued no ruling in the case that
would have given Obama’s lawyers more time.

The 30-day deadline for defendants to comply with a discovery request is set forth in the Federal
Rules of Civil Procedures.

However, the 2007 document produced by the Obama campaign omits key information that normally
appears on birth certificates in the United States, including the name of the hospital where he was
born, the size and weight of the baby, and sometimes the name of the doctor who delivered him.

In addition, the critics of the 2007 document note that Obama's father is described as “African,” aterm
used today. The formal language in official documents at the time — 1961 — would have identified his
race as “Negro” or “Colored.”
Source: Newsmax.com – Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit

Why not just produce the proper document to the court as requested, and make the whole issue just
go away? Make the Republicans look like fools, etc...Why even give the public a reason to doubt???

I would totally agree with you, IF, he has not done so when he officially registered as a
candidate for president of the united states, (as, that would give the federal government
that proof, and that is all they need,)that fact should be brought forward, as
I cannot imagine someone being able to run for president, without having presented that
proof, so, for me, this lawsuit means nothing, UNLESS, he didn't present that document
when declaring himself a candidate for president.
even his own democratic party, would not want to end up in a predicament, such as some
are suggesting, so they would make sure he has the right documentation.
I will just watch this play out, it seems so silly, and typically a republican ploy.
It was on my radio yesterday, that, the judge threw out the law suit.

 

[gopher]

This issue has been settled a dozen times on other threads. Don't know why it's still in question.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I would totally agree with you, IF, he has not done so when he officially registered as a
candidate for president of the united states, (as, that would give the federal government
that proof, and that is all they need,)that fact should be brought forward, as
I cannot imagine someone being able to run for president, without having presented that
proof, so, for me, this lawsuit means nothing, UNLESS, he didn't present that document
when declaring himself a candidate for president.
even his own democratic party, would not want to end up in a predicament, such as some
are suggesting, so they would make sure he has the right documentation.
I will just watch this play out, it seems so silly, and typically a republican ploy.
It was on my radio yesterday, that, the judge threw out the law suit.

So....it sounds like a court has ordered Mr. Obama to present this document....and he
can just ignore this then 'cuz he presented it to someone else at a different time. Can all
Americans legally just ignore the courts and their orders, or just this guy? The news story
that starts this thread is from two days ago on 10/24/08...so it doesn't sound lke this has
already been settled and is a done deal. This may have been dealt with already on dozens of
threads, but it doesn't sound like its been done in the court that's requesting this document.

 

[Just the Facts]

This issue has been settled a dozen times on other threads. Don't know why it's still in question.

Settled by a thread. We have the power!!

 

[Ron in Regina]

So....it sounds like a court has ordered Mr. Obama to present this document....and he
can just ignore this then 'cuz he presented it to someone else at a different time. Can all
Americans legally just ignore the courts and their orders, or just this guy? The news story
that starts this thread is from two days ago on 10/24/08...so it doesn't sound lke this has
already been settled and is a done deal. This may have been dealt with already on dozens of
threads, but it doesn't sound like its been done in the court that's requesting this document.

So this is settled how?

 

[Ron in Regina]

So Obama is above the law, or beyond the law, or outside the law, or his contempt
for the law that other Americans have to follow is acceptable because of what?????
Ah forget it. I'm sure glad I'm not an American.

 

[gerryh]

I'm sure that, when he officially put his name in as the candidate for leader of the democratic
party, then on to president, one would think, that 'everyone' would have had to present their
official birth information, so why would you say he has never proved to anyone that he is a
natural born citizen, I haven't read back through previous posts today, so is there some proof
that he didn't?
Anyone can file a law suit against almost anyone, so at this point it doesn't really mean anything, and didn't the judge throw the law suit out?
the McCain group is jumping around and around, bill ayres, rev. wright, birth certificate, oh
my oh my, what's next, 'murder'?. Ask Hannity, he will be all for it.

:roll:

Talloola....I was being facetious.

 

[Tonington]

In order to take the the office of POTUS, he would have to provide the documents proving he's an American, naturally born. He's not interested in it now, because he's running a campaign, and doing quite well at exposing his opponents weakness on ISSUES THAT MATTER. He'll have to show the document before January 20...

It's a total non-issue. Pretty pathetic really.

 

[Kreskin]

In this specific legal case the judge threw it out of court. So he certainly isn't above the law when the law doesn't require him to prove who he is to some Joe Blow on a Republican blog.

 

[talloola]

Talloola....I was being facetious.

Um, OK.

 

[talloola]

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I don't know, but I'll let you know if I find out. :lol:
As incredible as it sounds, it appears to be the case.



He threw the case out on a technicality, basically saying that an individual American citizen has no business asking questions about a potential future president. :smile:



Really? I don't think the McCain group is involved.

It's just amazing to me, how the republican party, in this election, and the last one,
spends so much of it's waking hours, throwing crap at the other candidate, and
this is no different. It's just a republican person/party/or bigot/whatever, doing the
same thing.

 

[scratch]

It's just amazing to me, how the republican party, in this election, and the last one,
spends so much of it's waking hours, throwing crap at the other candidate, and
this is no different. It's just a republican person/party/or bigot/whatever, doing the
same thing.

And we have just more than a week for more.

 

[Just the Facts]

He'll have to show the document before January 20...

It's a total non-issue. Pretty pathetic really.

If that's true then you're right, it's a non-issue....legally.

Why wouldn't the Obama camp say that? Why not say what you just said...."we'll show you our documents when the time comes". Wouldn't that make more sense than inviting factcheck.org to come look at it, but hide it from everyone else?

I think what's causing all the hoopla is that there are people who don't believe the documents posted on Obama's site and factcheck are legit.

 

[Just the Facts]

It's just amazing to me, how the republican party, in this election, and the last one,
spends so much of it's waking hours, throwing crap at the other candidate, and
this is no different. It's just a republican person/party/or bigot/whatever, doing the
same thing.

That's true, but it's not just the republican's....have you been reading Praxius' posts? :smile:

Unfortunately, it's not just the U.S. either. I think it's a large part of why Harper did so well, all the other party's platforms were just "we're not the Conservatives". That's not good enough, and thank goodness, the Canadian people sent the message that that's not good enough.

However, asking for proof of eligibility I don't think would qualify as throwing crap. It's a legitimate question in light of doubts that have been raised. He may well be natural born, and good for him, but why be so coy about presenting proof?

There's lots of crap about Obama floating around out there that hasn't been thrown by the Republican campaign. I think that's to their credit. McCain even got booed at one of his own rallies for defending Obama.

However, in this, the information age, every blogger and his brother are throwing crap around like there's no tomorrow. I don't think any one camp is more innocent than the other.