Northern Gateway "flawed,” 300 scientists tell Stephen Harper
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No, not anecdotal, Factual and similar next door in Alberta too!
There are those who argue that "Liberal" in B.C. is actually bastardized Social Credit..................to me they are all the same thing liars, thieves and bandits! -
Tough luck on that Cliffy... This is a Federal decision and there's not much that Clark et al can do other than threaten to hold up the permitting process.... Considering that the Feds can exert a lot more pressure than BC, I would expect that you won't have much option.
That said, BC does have a glimmer of hope in the form of 2 major pipelines being underway to the East coast... That econ benefit will be significant in those regions... Maybe if you make enough noise, you can succeed in sh*t-caning the Gateway proposal and rejoice in the BC economy being a service-based tourist trap
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
I think it's actually Construction camps, Cliffy. Either way it's productivity, something we need a lot more of in B.C.
Serviced based industries aren't known for paying a living wage!
I wouldn't bet the pension cheque on that, Cliffy. For one thing not everyone has been asked and it could well be we are just hearing from the noisy, uninformed minority. Cars and Oil are realities of life through out the world for the foreseeable future.
Short term gain for long term pain. This project is BS and all the propaganda being spewed by Enbridge has only furthered the resolve of those opposed. The mainstream media is ignoring what is going on in the background. Thousands of people are going to physically stand in the way and if that fails, the effort to stop this will only escalate. It has been clearly stated "whatever it takes" there will be no pipeline. I am just passing on what I am seeing and hearing. Pay it no heed and the consequences could be catastrophic.
Won't Chretien and Martin be disappointed if Harper doesn't get their plan finished?
When your welfare goes from 900 to 1600 you'll know who and what to thank.
Is it carved in stone anywhere that if the project goes ahead Enbridge has to build it?
Nope. But it is a multi-phase plan that include BC being able to have zero opposition to the NG pipelines along the AP Gateway Corridor which includes the Port of Prince Rupert, Kitimat, Vancouver. BCHydro, AB hydro companies, SaskPower CP, CN and highways clear across the country are also part of the deal.
Hundreds of $Billions has already been spent by BC Govt and the Feds from Chretien through to Harper today and who the Hell ever is next.
Good, we can play baseball with greenie heads. Just line up the excavator bucket and swing. We are not going to let a bunch of welfare bums stand between us and our paycheques. Idle threats by bums will be ignored and we will use fire to beat fire.
The same consequences that you predicted for the last BC election? From the same "overwhelming majority" of "i don't wanna works"? A few Indians wanting more money, a bunch of worn out hippies, and university losers does not work out to a majority, not even close. What do you think will happen to Canada's senior's attitude when they figure out that oil is paying their retirement cheques, including yours?
We'll send a few hundred buses full of FN Union tradespeople, miners and anyone from Bands invested in resources to remove the problem.
What do BC Indians have against jobs and non Federal income? Afraid the Fed double tracked gravy train and pipelines to the coast will make them selfsuffient?
I hate to disagree with you grump but you're just repeating what the eco's want everyone to believe and that is the "majority of people in BC are against it". Quite frankly, I doubt that it's true. One area/city voting against something doesn't make the majority of the whole province. And, as has also been stated here, we're "pretty good" at what we do. How ANYONE can say that the environment isn't a consideration is blind, deaf and - well, dumb. Why would we want to destroy our environment? It a ridiculous idea at best and fear mongering at worst.
JMHO
That would truly be unfortunate since there are bands that have signed agreements with the oil company and have a vested interest in the pipeline going forward. In fact, they actually will "own" a portion of the pipeline as well as providing work for their band members. The Indians who are against the pipeline are likely "southerners" who could care less about anyone but themselves and who likely get their funds from sources hell bent on delaying/cancelling the project. If they didn't fight it, they wouldn't get paid.
So the propaganda works both ways - there are those who say that the "scientists" are paid by big oil - I say that there are eco-terrorists paid by foreign organizations and governments to quash any advances that Canada has made and will make in the future to benefit all.
Indian bands from all over the country complain that they're not getting enough money - well, they'll simply get less - in fact we'll all get less. Guess they want us to go back to the horse and buggy; coal and wood stoves etc. Now THAT'S environmentally much, much better for us all, isn't it?? I, personally, will believe these so-called environmentalists when they chose not to drive, to fly, and bicycle and/or walk to their various destinations to protest across Canada NOT. What a bunch of hypocrites!
JMHO
JMHO
Yes.... It's proven that there are big bucks in spilling oil into a lake and then paying 10s of millions in fines and clean-up costs.
Well, since you know that most industrial accidents are at least partially caused by shortcuts, regulation violations, and poor management practices driven by cost cutting (i.e., money), your refusal or inability to make that step in the reasoning indicates that you are either trolling to support your side (as opposed to engaging in reasoned argument), or you have recently suffered a head trauma.
I'm not sure which. Then again, I don't care, so no big deal.
Doesn't change the fact that the fines and direct cleanup costs (let alone down time and civil suits) far outweigh the over simplified comment that it is about money.
... All this in response to the question: "Why would we want to destroy the environment?"
... All this in response to the question: "Why would we want to destroy the environment?"
